Democrats Informed of Water Boarding in 2002 (Congress, illegal, lawyers, Pelosi)
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You know, if we can get Nancy Pelosi, Eric Holder and the other dems behind bars over this it might be worth it. What hypocrisy. This is going to be fun when it all comes to light.
Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
You know, if we can get Nancy Pelosi, Eric Holder and the other dems behind bars over this it might be worth it. What hypocrisy. This is going to be fun when it all comes to light.
Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
What are you points here? Yes, members of Congress were briefed and apparently did not raise a stink -- they should be held accountable by their constituents. But Congress is not charged with enforcing the law... that is the job of the Executive. It's a big difference between authorizing and implementing torture and simply not doing anything to stop it. The former is criminally liable... the latter is morally liable.
As for Holder, he stated that the prisoners should be interrogated -- nobody disagrees with that. He still stated that the prisoners should be treated humanely and said they should be observed to make sure they were not being abused. There's a big difference between interrogation and torture.
I support going after anybody who failed to follow the law in this situation. However, there is a difference between those who were briefed on the broad outlines of the programs and told to keep the details secret, and those who actually authorized torture, carried out torture for years, and only later tried to create a legal justification for it, and then hid that justification from the public for years.
Sure, Pelosi, Reyes, Feinstein, Hoyer, Rockefeller - they all have serious questions to answer. I wouldn't mind if they were all booted for just being marginally involved.
But if you're going to be making such a big deal about the Dems involvement, then you should be raging angry at the Bush Administration bast***s who actually turned us into a nation that tortures.
They deserve the most serious penalties that can be handed out because of their lack of humanity, immorality, and criminal behavior.
When can we hear some "balance" from the right on this subject?
What are you points here? Yes, members of Congress were briefed and apparently did not raise a stink -- they should be held accountable by their constituents. But Congress is not charged with enforcing the law... that is the job of the Executive. It's a big difference between authorizing and implementing torture and simply not doing anything to stop it. The former is criminally liable... the latter is morally liable.
As for Holder, he stated that the prisoners should be interrogated -- nobody disagrees with that. He still stated that the prisoners should be treated humanely and said they should be observed to make sure they were not being abused. There's a big difference between interrogation and torture.
Well said. I wish there were some reasonable righties around here.
You know, if we can get Nancy Pelosi, Eric Holder and the other dems behind bars over this it might be worth it. What hypocrisy. This is going to be fun when it all comes to light.
Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
What about it, righties - you're getting plenty of reasonable responses. If the Dems knew about it, they should pay for it.
When are you going to condemn the people who actually violated the law?
Or was your purpose to try and see if us lefties were just partisan hacks and wouldn't condemn the Dems? If so, your plot is backfiring - because you are the only ones treating this as a partisan game. The Dems should be condemned for having been briefed in secret, but the Bush Administration didn't do anything wrong. That seems to be your position.
I support going after anybody who failed to follow the law in this situation. However, there is a difference between those who were briefed on the broad outlines of the programs and told to keep the details secret, and those who actually authorized torture, carried out torture for years, and only later tried to create a legal justification for it, and then hid that justification from the public for years.
Sure, Pelosi, Reyes, Feinstein, Hoyer, Rockefeller - they all have serious questions to answer. I wouldn't mind if they were all booted for just being marginally involved.
But if you're going to be making such a big deal about the Dems involvement, then you should be raging angry at the Bush Administration bast***s who actually turned us into a nation that tortures.
They deserve the most serious penalties that can be handed out because of their lack of humanity, immorality, and criminal behavior.
When can we hear some "balance" from the right on this subject?
You guys just don't seem to get it. It was determined by lawyers in a report prepared for the White House that what they were doing was legal and not torture. It is/was a legal opinion just like it is now a legal opinion that looking back it was illegal.
We may look back years from now and see many things Obama and the dems have done as being illegal but nobody in their right mind should/would want to open that can of worms. I have to admit though it would be fun to watch, once Obama is no longer President, what charges could be trumped up on him.
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