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Let's face it during the Bush years they were a right wing rubber stamp group but now they're trying to regain a shred of creditability by agreeing what we all already know. Namely, that torture is torture and if the US government has had people executed for torture (as a war crime) based on them waterboardering prisoners, and we have, then we have to be logically consistent and say it is still torture when we do it.
Let's remember that waterboarding was invented as a way to force people into making false confessions. The US executed Japanese military personal for war crimes based on them waterboarding US POWs and the US issued arrest warrants for Cambodian people based on them waterboarding people. The US called it torture in those instances but magically it is no longer torture when we do it? Come on and try to be a little logically consistent people.
Except there is no evidence that torture prevented ANY attacks. Dick Cheney telling it to Hannity does not make it evidence.
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Let's face reality. If any shred of evidence actually existed then Cheney would be blabbing about it night and day to try to ward off his war crimes trial in the EU. That Cheney hasn't been able to come up with a single instance of valuable information gained or an attack stopped speaks volumes.
Yeah, probly would've been better to lose LA than to torture.
Tell that to General Petraeus.
"General David Petraeus issued an open letter to his troops warning against the use of torture: 'Adherence to our values distinguishes us from our enemy."'
I heard a discussion of SERE on NPR, that basically that was their rationale, that since thousands of US soldiers had survived SERE with no lasting psychological damage, they could justify if.
Of course, the difference that was pointed out was that SERE is voluntary, done by people that you know will let you go, and is known to be temporary. Other psychological studies have shown that once you throw helplessness and uncertainty over your fate into the mix, that's when the mental damage begins. Hell, I can tell you that in a very mild way in my own life, that any given stress is vastly amplified in an environment of hopelessness and helplessness.
More stupidity from the left..
Ok so lets do it the terrorist way..lets really torture and kill terrorist by there OWN means....funny thing about the left....if god forbid you or someone you know was abducted or killed by terrorist you would be screaming to have the terrorist head on a platter.
Let's face it during the Bush years they were a right wing rubber stamp group but now they're trying to regain a shred of creditability by agreeing what we all already know. Namely, that torture is torture and if the US government has had people executed for torture (as a war crime) based on them waterboardering prisoners, and we have, then we have to be logically consistent and say it is still torture when we do it.
What? The Cato Institute was against the war and had a number of articles against the PATRIOT ACT and other War on Terror policies.
Their ****ing website and fact that many members of th Cato Institute used to write criticisms of the War on Terror, the Invasion of Iraq, and the War on Drugs on the Cato website and for magazines/websites like Reason.
Where is YOUR proof that Cato every backed the violations of civil liberties under the Bush Administration?
Just saying it over and over again doesn't make it so.
Yes it's about who we are as a nation, and if we are not holding ourselves to a higher standard then who are we to judge others.
On 9-11 we became judge, jury, and if nessesary, executioner. And the country was virtually unanimous on that until election time when democrats saw political expediency in redefining terms and gleaning details that would be detrimental to their political foes.
There's a rhinoceros outside your door too. And all the hope and change in the world won't make it go away.
Water boarding may be pushing the envelope. If they were pulling out fingernails and drilling knee caps I would be more concerned. We will probaly never know how effective water boarding was in getting accurate info.
I agree, when people watched as Daniel Pearl and others were beheaded by our enemies, they were truly and non-politically in horror.
I have seen volunteers being water boarded and I never watched in horror, not even politically.
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that was then, this is now.
