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Old 04-23-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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Great op-ed by a person who actually interrogated one of the Al Qaeda operatives. As most Americans suspected, torture was not used for anything other than torturing:

"There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process."

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Old 04-23-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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Again, I don't care.
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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Again, I don't care.
Ain't no sense confusing an issue by looking at all sides, eh?
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Old 04-23-2009, 12:33 PM
 
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Great op-ed by a person who actually interrogated one of the Al Qaeda operatives. As most Americans suspected, torture was not used for anything other than torturing:

"There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process."

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Look forward to Cheney's comments about this on the Sean Hannity Show. But since The New York Times is a liberal rag that only prints lies, they probably wont even discuss it....
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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For all the Jesus/Torture lovers...here's a question:

Why wasn't Saddam Hussein tortured so he'd tell everyone where the WMDs were????
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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From a December 2007 Washington Post report:

"FBI officials privy to details of the case continue to dispute the CIA's account of the effectiveness of the harsh measures,"

...There is little dispute, according to officials from both agencies, that Abu Zubaida provided some valuable intelligence before CIA interrogators began to rough him up, including information that helped identify Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, and al-Qaeda operative Jose Padilla. Footnotes in the 9/11 Commission report attribute information about a variety of al-Qaeda personnel and activities to interrogations of Abu Zubaida beginning in April 2002 and lasting through February 2004."

FBI officials, including agents who questioned him after his capture or reviewed documents seized from his home, have concluded that even though he knew some al-Qaeda players, he provided interrogators with increasingly dubious information as the CIA's harsh treatment intensified in late 2002.

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Old 04-23-2009, 01:48 PM
 
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For all the Jesus/Torture lovers...here's a question:

Why wasn't Saddam Hussein tortured so he'd tell everyone where the WMDs were????
Very good question and one that intelligent people already know the answer to!
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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You seemed to care enough to comment.
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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Great op-ed by a person who actually interrogated one of the Al Qaeda operatives. As most Americans suspected, torture was not used for anything other than torturing:

"There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process."

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Everybody's just jockeying for position before the inquiry starts. The Senate Armed Services Committee Report says the CIA encouraged Cheney to torture. The FBI and ONI advised him against it. They don't want Cheney claiming that torturing was all the advice he got and he didn't have any brains of his own, personally, so he had to do it.
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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This Op-Ed is remarkable because it is a story that has been repeated for the better part of 6 years. The FBI, no one's bastion of liberalism has from the beginning stood up for professionalism and the rule of law. The much reported (and it was indeed reported in the NYT's and the Washington Post) objections of career FBI agents to the harsh interogation tactics of the Bush administration stand in stark contrast to the Cheneyites and Jack Bauer wannabes who haven't a clue about what constitutes effective interogation.
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