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Just wondering. Bush was the most destructive, divisive, imcompentent, dishonest president in modern history, who at least in one election, was never elected by the majority of the people. However, I didn't recall, in the first 100 days of W's 1st term, all the rabid hate (example: threads being started on Obama not wearing a shirt or Obama should be impeached, without pointing out an actual high crime) that the right has shown for Obama. Even Clinton did not go through something like this in 1993. From what little I recall, Reagan was treated with at least a little respect, as was Bush Sr., in their first 100 days by the left/democrats.
My point being is that maybe the left hated Bush as time went on, but not with this craziness on the right. I think the left hate for Bush didn't really even start to be obvious, until he went into (on lies and disception) Iraq in 3/03.
I just think that they saw the unpopularity that Bush got (and merited) and how he put the GOP in the toilet and now are trying everything they can to, in their minds "return the favor".
I have another theory was to why this is going on, all this sudden literal hate for Obama (not overall, he still has a solid approval rating), however that would open up a can of worms.
I will say however, a lot of "code" (like socialist) being thrown at Obama, is not a hell of a lot different than what was thrown at Dr. King 41-45 years ago.
Can't really speak for Republicans..but as far as us independents go..we just hate Obama period for what he stands for you know him being a socialist and all..nothing to do with Bush..sorry to disappoint. Guess you'll have to come up with another excuse why the Country is turning against him.
Just wondering. Bush was the most destructive, divisive, imcompentent, dishonest president in modern history, who at least in one election, was never elected by the majority of the people. However, I didn't recall, in the first 100 days of W's 1st term, all the rabid hate (example: threads being started on Obama not wearing a shirt or Obama should be impeached, without pointing out an actual high crime) that the right has shown for Obama. Even Clinton did not go through something like this in 1993. From what little I recall, Reagan was treated with at least a little respect, as was Bush Sr., in their first 100 days by the left/democrats.
My point being is that maybe the left hated Bush as time went on, but not with this craziness on the right. I think the left hate for Bush didn't really even start to be obvious, until he went into (on lies and disception) Iraq in 3/03.
I just think that they saw the unpopularity that Bush got (and merited) and how he put the GOP in the toilet and now are trying everything they can to, in their minds "return the favor".
I have another theory was to why this is going on, all this sudden literal hate for Obama (not overall, he still has a solid approval rating), however that would open up a can of worms.
I will say however, a lot of "code" (like socialist) being thrown at Obama, is not a hell of a lot different than what was thrown at Dr. King 41-45 years ago.
There's not the slightest chance the two are comparable. I learned after Bush left office that there were websites where people attempting to sound the alarm crossed the lines of civility. I never heard anything about it when he was in office because I don't frequent such places. With the Obama haters, you can't get away with it. Besides the infestation in any internet forum, the virtual monopoly on the political discussion shows, my email inboxes are bombarded with the endless twisted farfetched racist garbage. It should be a wakeup call to anyone.
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Well, I remember in 2000 my VERY liberal friend saying "Anyone who votes for Bush should be dragged out into the street and shot!" So yeah...the hatred was pretty intense. I didn't keep close tabs on left wing hate under Bush, but I heard stuff here and there, and it was pretty viscious. Even if they had valid grievances, some of it was over the line. But last year I was stunned at the vitriol at the Obamas coming out of the Right. Anyone remember those Palin rallies?? <<shudder>>
But you see, calling Obama a terrorist, traitor, foreigner, evil etc... is okay because the left was so much worse under Bush, so that makes it okay. . Sorry kids, it doesn't make it okay. That's the logic of a sniveling brat who's trying to justify his own bad behavior. I'm 28. I work in the school system, and it's disheartening to see people much older than me on TV, and on this forum act exactly like some of the students I work with every day.
And after watching the far left tear apart Bush for eight years, I would have thought the Right would've figured out how not to act. Apparently not.
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While I detested everything about Bush and his policies, Obama is far from perfect as well (before anyone attacks me I actually voted for Obama despite his pro illegal alien stance). However, Ron Paul was my candidate of choice.
That being said, I firmly believe that both the right and left wing politicians continue to LTAO at the political divisions they create in order to count on people like those who visit this forum daily to spew politically based rhetoric, venom and hatred at one another to keep them in office, indefinitely.
Wake up folks and realize that politicians on both sides of the aisle created our current, repetitive good cop bad cop buddy system. There is NO difference between them. They are all political hacks in bed with big business and one another. All of them are playing the odd while gambling on how long it will take for us to self destruct.
If we ever plan on returning to a functional, cohesive nation, IT'S LONG PAST TIME FOR A 3RD PARTY AND TERM LIMITS in this country.
This is exactly what we need. All this partisan bickering is not helping our nation. We need to DEMAND viable 3rd party candidates who will serve us Americans!
I keep a diary,and I have an entry in November 1998 saying how paybacks will be a *****, it was about the Bill Clinton impeachment.If we get your guy , you will have to get our guy..and it will continue to get nastier and nastier until it explodes.well , I believe the pressure is just about at critical mass,something soon..is gonna give.It may have started before that , with Nixon...you get our guy and we will have to get your guy....but it's not going to end civil manner.
Just wondering. Bush was the most destructive, divisive, imcompentent, dishonest president in modern history, who at least in one election, was never elected by the majority of the people.
We don't elect presidents by majority vote. We elect them through the electoral college. Does that need explaining to you? This was the system our founders agreed to, and there was a good reason for it, which is still valid today.
As to your first comment, how was Bush "destructive"? He certainly wasn't divisive. He made every attempt to get along with Democrats (he went way too far in the thinking of most conservatives). Neither was he dishonest. Can you give an example of his dishonesty? Probably not, unless you are going to recite the tired "Bush lied" mantra, which is false on it's face, as everyone including Clinton before him believed (and many still believe) that Saddam was engaged in an active program of WMD's. He was probably one of the the most honest presidents we have had, certainly more honest than Bill Clinton, who was a total liar, and a habitual one.
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However, I didn't recall, in the first 100 days of W's 1st term, all the rabid hate (example: threads being started on Obama not wearing a shirt or Obama should be impeached, without pointing out an actual high crime) that the right has shown for Obama. Even Clinton did not go through something like this in 1993. From what little I recall, Reagan was treated with at least a little respect, as was Bush Sr., in their first 100 days by the left/democrats.
My point being is that maybe the left hated Bush as time went on, but not with this craziness on the right. I think the left hate for Bush didn't really even start to be obvious, until he went into (on lies and disception) Iraq in 3/03.
I just think that they saw the unpopularity that Bush got (and merited) and how he put the GOP in the toilet and now are trying everything they can to, in their minds "return the favor".
I have another theory was to why this is going on, all this sudden literal hate for Obama (not overall, he still has a solid approval rating), however that would open up a can of worms.
I will say however, a lot of "code" (like socialist) being thrown at Obama, is not a hell of a lot different than what was thrown at Dr. King 41-45 years ago.
What you totally miss is that this isn't about hate. It isn't hatred for Obama. It is his policies. It is clear from your post that you have no understanding of who this man is. He absolutely is a socialist. We aren't just throwing that out there for effect. And it isn't "code" (whatever you meant by that is any one's guess) for anything. He is a socialist, and his policies are socialist. He has said that he intends to "fundamentally change" our system. That isn't his right, nor was he elected to do any such thing. The American system of government does not need changing, nor do the people want to change it. We have a Constitution. It is still valid, the ideas embodied in it are timeless, and if we do want to change or add anything, there is a system to do that, via Constitutional Convention and amendment. The president has no authority under the Constitution to make any changes in our system without a vote of the people.
Look at his massive spending and taxation schemes. "Cap and trade" will be a disaster, and no one will be able to afford electricity. He is destroying our economy and bankrupting our country. That is what this is all about, and that is what the Tea Parties are about. This is to say nothing about the take over of the American auto industry, and the banks. Where does a president find the authority in the Constitution to take over control of or fire an executive of a U.S. Corporation?
Anyone who cannot see what this man is doing to the country has got to be totally blind!
I paid some attention to politics back then and once W was sworn into office, even though the way he got in was beyond despicable, ...
Since when is winning an election legitimately, "dispicable", and trying to steal it, as Al Gore and the Democrats did with all manner of creative recounts, and lawsuits, is not?
From your post, you weren't paying much attention to politics then. You probably do not understand or even have a clue what the Florida fiasco was all about and all that the Democrats tried to do, including manipulating and changing election laws (post election), etc. What they did was what was "despicable".
Just wondering. Bush was the most destructive, divisive, imcompentent, dishonest president in modern history, who at least in one election, was never elected by the majority of the people. However, I didn't recall, in the first 100 days of W's 1st term, all the rabid hate (example: threads being started on Obama not wearing a shirt or Obama should be impeached, without pointing out an actual high crime) that the right has shown for Obama. Even Clinton did not go through something like this in 1993. From what little I recall, Reagan was treated with at least a little respect, as was Bush Sr., in their first 100 days by the left/democrats.
My point being is that maybe the left hated Bush as time went on, but not with this craziness on the right. I think the left hate for Bush didn't really even start to be obvious, until he went into (on lies and disception) Iraq in 3/03.
I just think that they saw the unpopularity that Bush got (and merited) and how he put the GOP in the toilet and now are trying everything they can to, in their minds "return the favor".
I have another theory was to why this is going on, all this sudden literal hate for Obama (not overall, he still has a solid approval rating), however that would open up a can of worms.
I will say however, a lot of "code" (like socialist) being thrown at Obama, is not a hell of a lot different than what was thrown at Dr. King 41-45 years ago.
Never truer words spoken. In many posts I admitted supporting Bush until the truth came out about all of the deception, fraud, corruption and warmongering for the profits. I have been amazed that anyone has continued to support the fact they we have had a bona fide crime family in the White House for eight unfortunate years. Having a demon like Cheney for your VP has to have driven the point home even for the most ignorant.
Yes, the outrage at Obama for even the most innocuous things is moronic and obviously a weak attempt at retaliation for not coming to grips with the fact that Bush & Company are criminals through and through.
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I didn't keep close tabs on left wing hate under Bush, but I heard stuff here and there, and it was pretty viscious. Even if they had valid grievances, some of it was over the line. But last year I was stunned at the vitriol at the Obamas coming out of the Right. Anyone remember those Palin rallies?? <<shudder>>
. Sorry kids, it doesn't make it okay. That's the logic of a sniveling brat who's trying to justify his own bad behavior. I'm 28. I work in the school system, and it's disheartening to see people much older than me on TV, and on this forum act exactly like some of the students I work with every day.
