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Old 04-25-2009, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by mcmastersteve View Post
Since the dawn of time, wildlife has had no place in society, it literally is a dog eat dog world. Every other day there is a story about a person who forgets this and is attacked by something that may appear cute or harmless. A little reading about how the mongoose lulls the cobra before an attack may be in order, or how dolphins will play with a human before devouring them, think about that the next time you're at seaworld. The dolphin kiss is really its way of tasting its morsel.
Dogs by their very nature will take notice the role of the small, and elderly in their household pack and if given the chance will act accordingly when they don't know their bounds.
The reality is everyday more people are attacked by chihuahua and poodles than the maligned pit bull. Of course, larger dogs do more damage.

So does it make sense to ban pit bulls. The answer is no, because it makes no more sense than to ban all large dogs or more logically the Cocker Spaniel who as a breed suffers from 'rage syndrome'.
Proponents of such breed specific legislation often have not considered the effects of hastily proposed government legislation.
What may start out as a ban quickly turns into Little Johnny losing his mongrel because it's considered 51% pitbull. Breed specific legislation is often very dificult to prove in court and any good lawyer can tell you legislation without clear definitions can create legal challenges. It should be noted that in Ontario, the pitbull is not recognized as a breed, like say the staffordshire.

As always the case, the answer like in nature is often the simple one. Rather than punishing innocents such as loving dog owners and murdering dogs which pitbull bans propose, the answer is in enforcing personal property rights and creating harsh sentences for the pack leader, read owner. Irresponsible dog owners won't respond to simple euthansia of their pets, they will just go out and buy another breed. Punishment must be directed at them. Sentences of assault and on rare occasion murder are more effective at getting the attention of the 'Rambo, street fighting nutters' that seem attracted to the allure of pit bulls.

Interesting to note that in a libertarian society, people who wisely arm themselves, because in the end they are their own police in this situation would rarely get attacked. There is a reason why they invented the hunting rifle and I bet that most not so old pit bulls 'yellers' aren't thrilled by a shot to the buttocks.
The point to my proposed ban on Pit Bulls is to PREVENT the attacks on children and elderly persons. Suing the owner after a child has been killed does not undo what has been done. The child is still dead. Your plan does nothing that is not presently failing to protect children. So what use is it?

 
Old 04-25-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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I've had it with these glassy eyed lunatic Pit Bull owners who simply refuse to understand that their dogs are a danger to all children at all times. Their is no safe Pit Bull ever. How many more times will we need to hear of a baby, small child or senior citizen being ripped to shreads by these ignorant animals before we realize that they cannot be made safe? I propose we ban this most vicious of dog breeds nationwide.
Wouldn't that be the same as blaming guns for killing people.
 
Old 04-25-2009, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Do you have a clue what these dogs were bred to do? They were bred to kill another dog in a pit. That's where the name comes from.
Not all of them of course, but one have to know about dogs to know this fact. if they come from a reputable breeder with good blood lines, they are some of the best dogs around.
 
Old 04-25-2009, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Assign responsibility to the owner for genetic predispositions that can't be removed from the organism (training...........ha!)? I thought you guys might be, say, if not geneticists, at least decent evolutionists?
You see, you have no idea what you are talking about. Not all Pits have the breeding of a fighting dog. That is where you are totally wrong, but hey, don't let facts get in your way.
 
Old 04-25-2009, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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BOO HOO! Poor Pit Bulls. What about the children they kill and scar for life?
Yeah, what about the children that are scred by German Shepards or Rotties or any other breed out there?
 
Old 04-25-2009, 10:57 PM
 
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Why won't you answer my question about beagles and pomeranians? They kill. Aren't you concerned about them as a threat?
Of course they aren't because they have been bred to HATE only one breed without knowing the actual facts.
 
Old 04-25-2009, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Apparently you've never watched "The Dog Whisperer" on the National Geographic channel. That's Ceasar Milan's favorite breed to rehabilitate....if you've ever seen the show, you'd realize what ever the breed, it's bad owners and not bad dogs that cause the problem. There's a way to train a dog to be around children....you make the children the "pack leader".
Finally some common sense. Yep, the owners are idiots who probably have no idea how to raise dogs or treat them. They would be the same type of people that would allow their children to be around snakes and then blame the snake when it bit the child.
 
Old 04-25-2009, 11:24 PM
 
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I have had a Pitt mix and a Golden Retriever. The Pitt used to run and keep my 2 year old nephew away from the street whenever he made a break towards it. He NEVER showed aggression towards children, in fact kids loved him because he would lick and play with them. The Golden has on several occasions, in fact yesterday, growled and gotten ready to nip at my 17 month old daughter.

Once again if anyone would remove their head from their butt, it's not the breed it's how you raise the dog. So save the BULLS$%T that they are a violent breed.
The retriever can attack your nephew and he'll live. The Pit can snap one time, as they are known to do, and your innocent nephew won't live long enough to regret having you for an uncle. I recomend you get rid of both dogs if you are to have your nephew over. Maybe that way you won't be the next one to be hauled into court with a bewildered look on your face only to say "It never killed a child before". Well, I, and numerous others, warned you in advance.

See my post on Trever a little further up the thread.
 
Old 04-26-2009, 12:10 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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What a load of horses#*t this thread is based on...! Dogs are ANIMALS, for crying out loud, and if your child gets mauled or killed by one, it is YOUR fault for being stupid enough to leave it alone with an animal! I would not leave any small child alone with a cat, either, it would just be plain stupid, as they are very unpredictable creatures and if they spook, anything is possible. Does this mean we should euthanize all cats as well? Because stupid people expect the animal to switch off its animal nature in their company? PLEASE spare us the lock-jaw, crazy, mean, killer stereotype and fess up to human error...if you are too lazy, too stupid, or too naiive to take the time to train a dog and establish yourself and ALL humans in the household as alpha and to teach your human children to respect the animal and be careful around it (like not letting the child approach it while eating, whether it is food aggressive or not), you should not have a dog! Trying to ban a breed based on media hype and ignorant fear is ridiculous...almost as ridiculous as the 3 Pitts on a Wild Boar video. It was not remotely interesting or entertaining and all it proved is that dogs in a pack will usually team up to attack any creature they perceive as a threat...DUH!
 
Old 04-26-2009, 01:05 AM
 
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What a load of horses#*t this thread is based on...! Dogs are ANIMALS, for crying out loud, and if your child gets mauled or killed by one, it is YOUR fault for being stupid enough to leave it alone with an animal! I would not leave any small child alone with a cat, either, it would just be plain stupid, as they are very unpredictable creatures and if they spook, anything is possible. Does this mean we should euthanize all cats as well? Because stupid people expect the animal to switch off its animal nature in their company? PLEASE spare us the lock-jaw, crazy, mean, killer stereotype and fess up to human error...if you are too lazy, too stupid, or too naiive to take the time to train a dog and establish yourself and ALL humans in the household as alpha and to teach your human children to respect the animal and be careful around it (like not letting the child approach it while eating, whether it is food aggressive or not), you should not have a dog! Trying to ban a breed based on media hype and ignorant fear is ridiculous...almost as ridiculous as the 3 Pitts on a Wild Boar video. It was not remotely interesting or entertaining and all it proved is that dogs in a pack will usually team up to attack any creature they perceive as a threat...DUH!

...or weak (as in child or elderly)...DUH!


"....if your child gets mauled or killed by one, it is YOUR fault for being stupid enough to leave it alone with an animal!"

So what about someone else's child?

It doesn't matter whose fault it is once the child has been attacked and/or killed. The child is just as dead either way.



http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf - broken link)
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