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Interesting article, it seems to be a matter of more blacks not understanding how to properly tip rather than a conscious insult to servers. According to that article, in the past black people didn't go to sit down restaurants as much as white people so they never learned to tip. It's likely that as black people continue to move up the economic ladder their tipping habits will change. People don't automatically know how to tip, they have to learn it from someone.
No offense, but that's a really condescending attitude: blacks don't know how to tip? How insulting! Oh, and way back in the beginning of this thread, the whole economic issue was refuted as black athletes, i.e. Scottie "No tippin" Pippen, as well as several other multimillionaires either didn't even tip at all, or gave very little.
As a Black man, I find that sometimes it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on the part of waiters/waitresses. There's an establishment here in my city that I visited three times. The first time, I was waited on by a White female who didn't even return to my table after serving my food (I was there with one other friend of mine, who was also Black). The third time, it was me and about four other friends (all Black), and the White female server had an attitude from the beginning. She asked us what we'd like to order to drink, and she was irritated because I ordered a Sprite; I suppose she thought I should have ordered an alcoholic drink. After serving us, once more, she never even came back to the table. I'm sorry, but in instances like those, I'm not going to tip because I don't want anyone to say I'm just another non-tipping Black guy. If I get crappy service, I'm not tipping (or I'm tipping less than 15%), and I don't care if race is brought into it or not. Needless to say, I will NEVER frequent that establishment again.
In normal situations, I usually tip around 20%, sometimes 25%. Thank God for the tip calculator on my cell phone.
As a Black man, I find that sometimes it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on the part of waiters/waitresses. There's an establishment here in my city that I visited three times. The first time, I was waited on by a White female who didn't even return to my table after serving my food (I was there with one other friend of mine, who was also Black). The third time, it was me and about four other friends (all Black), and the White female server had an attitude from the beginning. She asked us what we'd like to order to drink, and she was irritated because I ordered a Sprite; I suppose she thought I should have ordered an alcoholic drink. After serving us, once more, she never even came back to the table. I'm sorry, but in instances like those, I'm not going to tip because I don't want anyone to say I'm just another non-tipping Black guy. If I get crappy service, I'm not tipping (or I'm tipping less than 15%), and I don't care if race is brought into it or not. Needless to say, I will NEVER frequent that establishment again.
In normal situations, I usually tip around 20%, sometimes 25%. Thank God for the tip calculator on my cell phone.
I agree with everything that you wrote. great post and rep point to you.
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Originally Posted by DMoon
Then by your eugenicist convoluted racialist reasoning, I should also be wary of White males who often fit the profile of depraved, psychopathic serial killers who prey on women and children and committed heinous, inhuman murders such as the Craigslist killer, Ted Bundy, The Green River Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, Father Geoghen, John Wayne Gacy, Son of Sam, The Zodiac Killer, Charles Manson, and the BTK killer, ad infinitum, nauseam. It’s interesting that because they are white and male and supposedly above reproach Gacy, BTK and the Green River Man were able to kill for years without being caught, thus it would behoove Women and children to be wary of white males, especially frustrated alienated males, because aren’t they also most likely to shoot up schools, kill their family and then themselves when things don’t go their way.
So by your reasoning, there must be something fundamentally and racially off kilter for such a pattern to exist among white males, if we follow your thought process to its logical conclusion. Of course I am only doing what everyone else is doing on this thread as it pertains to the inequality of all the races and thus if Blacks are to continue to accept their inferiority in the social order of the universe, then we must also accept through irrefutable anecdotal evidence and NPR that they are sure to be bad tippers, et al. so I can also assume (and the FBI has proof don’t they?) that White males certainly have a greater propensity to be psychopathic, inhuman serial killers.
Now I see and it makes perfect sense.
true, the very credible bureau, the FBI, has developed an accepted profile for the american serial murderer. true, the serial murderer, not only in the united states but in the world, is more likely to be a white male (anglo-saxon) between 25 and 48 years of age. naturally, several other characteristics outline the profile; however, i will not take the time to name them all here. again, it is true that the majority of serial murderers are anglo-saxon. this is true because the population where these records are kept is largely anglo-saxon---europe, canada, and the united states. profiling, to me, is a sensible and useful tool for investigation. for instance, we know that the average homicide in america will likely be perpetrated by a young black male between 18 and 25. it will most likely be perpetrated on another black male of similar age, an important fact to the beginning investigation. profiling allows for common sense conclusions, which expedite the ultimate successful comlpletion of an investigation.
the previous poster seems to imply that some "white" serial murderers were allowed to perpetrate their crimes for years; solely and possibly because these killers were caucasian, and the majority of their victims was african american. i reject this conclusion wholehartedly. it has been thoroughly documented that most serial murderers are above average IQ. in fact, many have been determined to be extremely bright. the serial murderers, those cited by the poster, chose as their victims a majority of caucasians: not african americans. too, it is more likely than not that cunning, attention to detail, superior intelligence, and luck allowed for long evasions
from arrest.
i believe by putting some of these earlier statements into perspective, the poster will be able to remove the african american community from the cross. everything in the universe does not have to revolve around race issues. and, regardless of current political correctness, anyone with "one eye and half sense" knows that gleening both common and obvious characteristics of individuals and groups greatly enhances the validity of investagatory work.
No offense, but that's a really condescending attitude: blacks don't know how to tip? How insulting! Oh, and way back in the beginning of this thread, the whole economic issue was refuted as black athletes, i.e. Scottie "No tippin" Pippen, as well as several other multimillionaires either didn't even tip at all, or gave very little.
I didn't write the article, and I would never say ALL blacks do anything. Some people are asking why this stereotype of blacks tipping poorly might be true, this is just one possible answer for some cases. Another internet article link was posted earlier in the thread and there were responses (on the article, not here) from black people saying exactly that, they thought 10% was very good and were surprised to learn 15-30 was the norm. I know servers that were asked by black people if 10% was good. Someone's parents of any race might think 10% or $2-$3 is the way to tip, if that's what they teach their children how would they learn different? People rarely talk about money issues. Another stereotype is that very wealthy or famous people tip poorly because they think servers are honored by their mere presence. I don't know f there is truth to that, but it might explain the athletes. I was referring more to people moving into the middle and upper middles classes where people seem to tip the best. I'm not claiming to have the answers, I'm willing to hear and think about other opinions.
As a Black man, I find that sometimes it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on the part of waiters/waitresses. There's an establishment here in my city that I visited three times. The first time, I was waited on by a White female who didn't even return to my table after serving my food (I was there with one other friend of mine, who was also Black). The third time, it was me and about four other friends (all Black), and the White female server had an attitude from the beginning. She asked us what we'd like to order to drink, and she was irritated because I ordered a Sprite; I suppose she thought I should have ordered an alcoholic drink. After serving us, once more, she never even came back to the table. I'm sorry, but in instances like those, I'm not going to tip because I don't want anyone to say I'm just another non-tipping Black guy. If I get crappy service, I'm not tipping (or I'm tipping less than 15%), and I don't care if race is brought into it or not. Needless to say, I will NEVER frequent that establishment again.
In normal situations, I usually tip around 20%, sometimes 25%. Thank God for the tip calculator on my cell phone.
to me, this totally makes sense. unfortunately, i probably would have been a little more direct and confrontational. i have experienced the very same thing w/ drink orders. if one happens to go into a restaurant, particularly around happy hour, and one simply wants a glass of tea, soda, or coffee, one may easily get the "ole roll". that, in and of itself, is disparaging to me. i do, however, believe that many servers fail to understand the true meaning of the acronym "TIP". too, i think that eating establishments should do a thorough job of teaching service, particularly when that establishment is depending on the patron to subsidize the server's income. i hate to cite one particular eating establishment; however, Outback servers are terrible about the above. i made a point to find out why, and i learned that their "high pay turn over sections" always go to their best servers. drink order income is split between the server, the bartender, and the busboy. consequently, the more drinks, the more profit for the staff. food orders are split between the hostess, the server, and the busboy. it, like in many restaurants, is a high turn over game. it can, nonetheless, be bothersome to a patron and his company, who wish to enjoy a relaxing dinner hour.
for years and years i have been told that blacks are horrible about two things when they are in restaurants. first, they insist on running the server ragged, they are notorious for asking for water w/ ice but they never drink it, they inevitably ask for extra napkins and silverware, and they constantly ask for the air to be adjusted up or down, regardless of what others wish. the second thing, they fail to tip or tip appropriately. my sister and her friends, all of whom got extra spending money in university by serving tables, literally fought w/ each other about who would or would not wait on the blacks who came into the restaurant. according to what they said, and from what i have heard from professional servers at other highend/upscale restaurants, blacks, for the most part, either refuse to leave tips according to the amount of the bill or to leave a tip altogether. my sister and four restaurant owners that i know personally say that blacks are, by far, the group of individuals who ask for extras and "to go" boxes routinely.
Oh okay, so let's just go back to Jim Crow so they don't ever have to worry about being stiffed by a black patron. Just a white one. And what the heck is wrong with taking leftovers to go? I find it much more preferable to letting them go to waste. Man some folks are really twisted.
As a Black man, I find that sometimes it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on the part of waiters/waitresses. There's an establishment here in my city that I visited three times. The first time, I was waited on by a White female who didn't even return to my table after serving my food (I was there with one other friend of mine, who was also Black). The third time, it was me and about four other friends (all Black), and the White female server had an attitude from the beginning. She asked us what we'd like to order to drink, and she was irritated because I ordered a Sprite; I suppose she thought I should have ordered an alcoholic drink. After serving us, once more, she never even came back to the table. I'm sorry, but in instances like those, I'm not going to tip because I don't want anyone to say I'm just another non-tipping Black guy. If I get crappy service, I'm not tipping (or I'm tipping less than 15%), and I don't care if race is brought into it or not. Needless to say, I will NEVER frequent that establishment again.
In normal situations, I usually tip around 20%, sometimes 25%. Thank God for the tip calculator on my cell phone.
Same here. I will tip 15-20% depending on the service. I've always understood that the waiters had to split the tips with the bus boys, so if the service was really good, i'll tip 25%. However in the case that you described above, i have encountered bad service, where the waiter will not come back to the table to check on me after serving the food, in that case, the tip will be 10% of the bill. I refuse to reward for bad service.
The resturant industry makes and estimated $1.5 Billion each day. An industry that employs 9-10% of the American Workforce should stop harrasing blacks for tips and stop treating employees like slaves.
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roll". that, in and of itself, is disparaging to me. i do, however, believe that many servers fail to understand the true meaning of the acronym "TIP". too, i think that eating establishments should do a thorough job of teaching service, particularly when that establishment is depending on the patron to subsidize the server's income. i hate to cite one particular eating establishment; however, Outback servers are terrible about the above. i made a point to find out why, and i learned that their "high pay turn over sections" always go to their best servers. drink order income is split between the server, the bartender, and the busboy. consequently, the more drinks, the more profit for the staff. food orders are split between the hostess, the server, and the busboy. it, like in many restaurants, is a high turn over game. it can, nonetheless, be bothersome to a patron and his company, who wish to enjoy a relaxing dinner hour.
