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Old 04-30-2009, 02:08 PM
 
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As long as we have a two party system with no checks and balances I have come to the conclusion that Gridlock is the only way Americans Prosper. 1) Because it forces more bipartianship if they want to get anything done 2) It prevents crazy radical ideas from becoming law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/business/08stox.html
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Exactly. Gridlock is good. The Founders knew that.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:39 PM
 
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Exactly. Gridlock is good. The Founders knew that.
They knew no such thing. Why do you insist on just making things up out of whole cloth.

Gridlock is a childish "My ball and I will take it home" abdication of responsible government. If the "Founders" were in favor of it, they certainly would not have placed provisions in the Constitution for avoiding it.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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Exactly. Gridlock is good. The Founders knew that.
Whatever makes it very difficult to confiscate more taxpayer money, or create new laws infringing on liberty is all good. If the houses of congress worked as outlined in the Constitution, they would meet one week a month.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:53 PM
 
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They knew no such thing. Why do you insist on just making things up out of whole cloth.

Gridlock is a childish "My ball and I will take it home" abdication of responsible government. If the "Founders" were in favor of it, they certainly would not have placed provisions in the Constitution for avoiding it.
You have it exactly backwards. The very structure of the government lends itself to gridlock, especially in the house and most importantly in the senate.

Time for a review.

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"It may be a reflection on human nature that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary .... In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed and in the next place, oblige it to control itself."
You must have forgotten - 3 co-equal branches of government - designed to prevent one branch from becoming too power-hungry.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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You have it exactly backwards. The very structure of the government lends itself to gridlock, especially in the house and most importantly in the senate.

Time for a review.
I would suggest that the very structure of the government lends itself to compromise, especially in the House and most importantly in the Senate.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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I would suggest that the very structure of the government lends itself to compromise, especially in the House and most importantly in the Senate.
The problem is the people that currently make up those entities are stubborn mules held hostage by far right and left wing agendas.

I think as structured with the 2 party system --right now gridlock maybe best for all of us.
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:02 PM
 
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I would suggest that the very structure of the government lends itself to compromise, especially in the House and most importantly in the Senate.
Yes, exactly what "gridlock" forces them to do - compromise.
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:31 PM
 
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How about this genius idea: The founders had it right. Sometimes gridlock is what Americans will vote for, and other times, it's not. Brilliant, huh?

The system is working as it was intended. It seems that some of you can't stand that fact.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:16 AM
 
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How about this genius idea: The founders had it right. Sometimes gridlock is what Americans will vote for, and other times, it's not. Brilliant, huh?

The system is working as it was intended. It seems that some of you can't stand that fact.
No, we know it is not the system it is the people in the system who are ruining it.

"Our safety, our liberty, depends upon preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln


"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. " Abraham Lincoln
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