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If civil rights are going to be selectively applied, they aren't civil are they?
Civil rights/human rights belong to everyone regardless of suspected crime committed, race, gender, religion, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, shoe size, illness/disease, political party/ideology, the cleanliness of their hands, the content of their computers, etc.
To apply civil rights to everyone but those our government says is our enemy (or in our case, those it merely accuses and detains) makes us guilty of hypocrisy. We can hardly scream "freedom" and "democracy" without the world laughing at us...or feeling like they need to return the "favors" we've bestowed on them.
Ah, no they don't but as I said before, if you have;
a portion of the Constitution that refutes the simple words of "no person", or "all criminal prosecutions."
a section of the Constitution that excludes non-citizens.
a Supreme Court ruling that states that the rights to due process as established by the Constitution do not extend to non-citizens.
Post'em if you got'em!
ANY legal contract ONLY deals with the individuals IN that contract.. PERIOD.. This would be like us taking Mexico's Constitution and claiming that it covered US Citizens..
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Tell me what part of this deals with OUTSIDE of the US
The Constitution may not cover them, but the Geneva Convention says they have to be treated as POW's until proven otherwise.
Article 5
The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation. Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal.
Actually the constitution deals with all of those on American territory, citizen or not.
Should Gitmo prisoners have all US Constitutional rights? It depends. If we classify them as combatants, then the are covered by the Geneva Accords and may be detained, but not coercibly interrogated. The accords are quite specific on the subject. POWs are treated as detainees, not criminals. If we do not classify them as combatants, then they are civilian. Again the accords are quite clear -- combatant or civilian. If a civilian then we may only detain them if accused of a crime, and if accused of a crime then they have all the rights of any civilian accused of a crime. We can try them under the UCMJ if they were captured in a war zone.
No, Guantanamo prisoners do not deserve the same "civil rights" as citzens, but the do have the right to Constitutional guarantees of due process, particularly the privilege of habeas corpus and the rights covered by the 5th and 6th Amendment.
So if you don't want to give these people rights, what are you going to do with them and how will the world respond? Seems like you're reaching for some reason, whatever reason to deny them their humanity so you can treat them as miserably as you think they'd treat you. Tell me you non-rights-granting people in which company do you find yourselves? Are those people you really want to be associated with?
So if you don't want to give these people rights, what are you going to do with them and how will the world respond? Seems like you're reaching for some reason, whatever reason to deny them their humanity so you can treat them as miserably as you think they'd treat you. Tell me you non-rights-granting people in which company do you find yourselves? Are those people you really want to be associated with?
Who claimed they shouldnt have rights?
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