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First of all, there is no "far right". This is just a term invented by liberals to disparage ALL religious conservatives. And by the way, 60 percent of Americans according to Battleground poll describe themselves as "conservative or somewhat conservative". 76.5% of Americans describe themselves as "Christian." So the idea that just a tiny loud minority of Christian conservative crazies are hijacking the GOP and causing them to lose elections is ludicrous, bigoted, and designed to create a false impression. The vast majority of us ARE Christian conservatives.
If 76.5% of Americans are Christian and 60% are conservative or somewhat conservative, .765 * .6 = .459, that is, with no further information we would predict a 45.9% overlap. How'd you guys do in the last election? Oh yeah, 46%.
Sounds like you got it all figured out. Maybe you should work for the RNC!
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That kind of thinking got us John McCain. He followed that advice to a tee. He worked very hard to get along with Democrats, scorned traditional conservative values, hugged the liberals, wooed the press, and promptly caused us to get our asses beat.
McCain only won the nomination because the right wing vote was split, and he ran a right-wing general election campaign. Before the primaries, a lot of folks wanted him drummed out of the party because apparently God-fearing red-blooded Americans must endorse torturing prisoners in order to be authentic.
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We allow George Allen to get hammered by the Washington Post for uttering some nebulous esoteric nonsense word, we allow him to be somehow miraculously cast as a racist for that, and we allow him to get beat without having raised a huge uproar.
If you are a politician and you use a racial slur against someone who is pointing a videocamera at you, you ought to be beaten on the basis of pure stupidity, never mind racism.
If both republican & democrat presidents result in bigger government (X axis) then there is no left or right, only up and down (Y axis) and eventually total government rule is the result. It may be a 1 step or 12 step advancement, either way government doesn't shrink and that's pretty clear.
as long as GOP leaders waddle to the SUV ,rave, wear all black and slick back balding hair
as long as GOP cheers blackwater,
as long as the austerity party spends like a drunk sailor
as long as GOP is a DOD puppet
you will have this problem
The so-called religious right has been pushed into a corner by the left-wing circus that is running Washington D.C. and the national media.
In reality today's core values of the so-called religious right were once mainstream America. It used to be common sense and proper manners to not use drugs recreationally, to engage in sexuality after you took your wedding vows, to righfully shun abnormal lifestyles such as homosexuality, to not regard the unborn as an accident worthy of abortion, to take responsibility for your own actions without playing the blame game, to be able to afford things before you bought them, to be proud of being an American citizen, to be a legal immigrant that speaks proper English, to be willing to fight for your country, to not fear admitting your faith in God.
Those are beliefs of the so-called religious right, and there is not a single thing wrong with any of them. Society along the way has lost its morality, and we are dearly paying the price for it. The so-called religious right represents mainstream, common-sense family, moral values. To us the pro-homosexuality, pro-amnesty, abortion-on-demand, non-religious, socialist liberal minds of today are the radicals; and that is what the Democrats have become with their far-left agenda.
Using the government and rule of law to force people into a morality that should be personal choice is NOT the way to bring about the change you seek. It will only anger people as we saw in this last election cycle. Want to bring about a Christian revolution in America? Start following the teachings of Jesus yourself and showing His love to your fellow man. If all Christians in America would do that instead of focusing on their neighbors' sins, we would see some major changes in this country.
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I agree 100%. As a christian, I'm saddened that other christians became so sidetracked to other issues besides abortion, especially since it is such a worthy cause. Abortion to me is a totally separate issue from all the others. I don't care about gay marriage, or school prayer or whatever other issues Dr. Dobson stirs people up with. We also shouldn't have wedded ourselves to the GOP. I'm afraid that when people think of us, they think of our association with the GOP more than our association with Jesus. When that happens, you know something's gone wrong.
Agree 100%. Unfortunately this gives both Christians and the GOP a bad image. Dr. Dobson isn't even an ordained minister yet somehow he has become the "voice" of Christians in America and the GOP.
What we need to do is purge those who are trying to shove their religious beliefs into our system of laws.
Those are the religious right wing nut jobs I want out of my GOP...so that maybe we can appeal to more of the rational people and actually get a candidate elected.
"Conservative" can mean alot of things. So can "Christian". Bush didn't get a 30% approval rating for nothing.
People don't realize the 30% came not only from liberals, but from conservatives who don't believe Bush was being conservative enough on spending. If it's just the leftwing crazies who are mad, as was the case in 2004, Bush gets 50%.
Really? How did Tarencdo do in the primaries. How about Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson. The GOP has no one to blame but themselves. Ron Paul was everything any genuine conservative could have asked for, but you pooped on him too.
Paul would have had my vote if he'd made me think he had a clue about understanding the terrorist threat. Also, he seemed to enjoy a little too much going on Maher and Olbermann and trashing Bush. Paul trashed Bush more than he did Obama. That's the only reason these LW whacks had him on. Paul thought they really liked him. Thirdly, Paul's supporters acted like lunatics, chasing Hannity down, spamming internet polls.
As far as Tancredo, Hunter, and Thompson, it takes more than the message. It takes a messenger. It takes timing, and it takes lucky breaks.
There is a difference between going socialist and telling the poor to drop dead. I think Jesus would be appalled at what passes for "Christain Doctrine" these days.
Jesus never called for the state to take care of the poor. He called for individuals to. Red states destroy richer blue states in per capita charitable contributions. The top 20 most generous states are red. The bottom 10 most selfish states are blue.
46% is not as crushing as everyone makes it. Obama had everything going his way and still didn't top Clinton's 1992 trashing of Bush 1.
Clinton only trashed Bush because Perot siphoned off the Bush vote.
Some credability would be nice too. As far as illegal immigration, I agree, but frankly, it's quickly becoming a banner the George Wallace crowd hides under.
/\ No one is going to vote for a party that espouses "Family Values" and doesn't follow through. As far as Lott and Allen goes, if that type of thinking is what you want to see make a comeback, then you're going to have a rough go of it. The Civil Rights movement already happened, and the racists lost. Get over it.
There was no racism on Lott's or Allen's part. They were innocuous meaningless words. Democrats do these kinds of things on a daily basis, and nobody ever breathes a word. At worst, they apologize and all is forgotten. Allen and Lott fell over themselves apologizing. Predictably, it was never enough for the "offended" media, especially when there were Senate seats at stake.
Case in point. Why wasn't Willia, Jefferson, who ADMITTED to stealing money, run out on a rail, while Mark Foley who sent a few lurid emails was crucified even after he resigned?
/\ Bush had 6 years of total republican domination, something even Regan didn't have. He blew it. Simply screaming "Obama is a Muslim!" Is not a stragdey(sp)....
The only thing Bush did wrong was enact two large spending programs; the massive education bill and the prescription drug bill. Ironically, Democrat blast him for his 'deficit spending' for the things they ostensibly agreed with him on. The leftwing is 100% hypocritical.
First of all, there is no "far right". This is just a term invented by liberals to disparage ALL religious conservatives. And by the way, 60 percent of Americans according to Battleground poll describe themselves as "conservative or somewhat conservative". 76.5% of Americans describe themselves as "Christian." This is not the GOP; this is the whole country
The Battleground Poll: 60% of Americans Describe Themselves As Conservative | Say Anything: North Dakota's Most Popular Political Blog (http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_battleground_poll_60_of_americans_describe_the mselves_as_conservative/ - broken link) Religious identification in the U.S.
So the idea that just a tiny loud minority of Christian conservative crazies are hijacking the GOP and causing them to lose elections is ludicrous, bigoted, and designed to create a false impression. The vast majority of us ARE Christian conservatives. The reality is, it's the liberals and moderates and those who follow their advice who are losing elections for the GOP.
Sorry, I just don't listen to the liberal media for tips on how to heal my party, anyway. They don't have our best interests at heart. The reason we've lost is because we've taken the media and the moderates' advice. Their narrative goes like this: If we just drop a few things from our platform like the pro-life plank, imagine how many more female voters and moderates we could get. We need to stop being obstructionist and try to get along. We need to reach across the aisle and be more likeable. We need to be more compassionate to the poor, and to do that we need more social spending.
That kind of thinking got us John McCain. He followed that advice to a tee. He worked very hard to get along with Democrats, scorned traditional conservative values, hugged the liberals, wooed the press, and promptly caused us to get our asses beat.
Arlen Spector said "the GOP has moved to the far right". That's the same canard the MSM uses. It's false. The GOP is less, not more, conservative or "right-wing" than we were 15 years ago when we swept control of Congress. And that is why we've lost.
The hardliners are right. We stick to our core conservative principles; staunchly pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, tax cuts, spending cuts, pro capitalist, anti-greenpeace whackjob environmental restrictions, we will start to win elections again. We'll let all the selfish opportunists like Spector, McCain, Hagel, Collins, and Snowe either get onboard or ge off the train. And we'll talk about our plans loudly and often like the GOP did in 1994.
But if we listen to all the anti-Palin moderate pukes out there, those who are embarrassed about the pro-life position, those who are afraid not to be accepted on the DC cocktail circuit, and those who want to be praised by the leftwing media, we're guaranteed to be a minority for a long time.
And for godsake, let's stop sabotaging ourselves by getting rid of our good conservatives because the liberals create a fuss. Tom Delay, Trent Lott et. al. You never see Democrats resign no matter how egregious their behavior is. Hell, William Jefferson can stash $90,000 in a freezer, Clinton's stooge can stuff official documents in his pants, and Barney Frank can run a prostitution ring in his basement. Never any calls for resignation. 'But you let Mark Foley send an email to a kid...no action, just an email...and we get him to resign. We eat our own. We allow George Allen to get hammered by the Washington Post for uttering some nebulous esoteric nonsense word, we allow him to be somehow miraculously cast as a racist for that, and we allow him to get beat without having raised a huge uproar. It's time to STOP listening to the damn leftwing media and the so-called moderates (who are really liberals) for advice on what we should do.
Be conservative. Shout it from the rooftops. Give people confidence. Do what we KNOW is right, and what has been PROVEN to work. Why on earth have we abandoned the proven formula for success. Bold unapologetic conservatism.
Misidentification- the ecological falacy- is what you are using.
GOP's problem is that they are now the party of the former Dixiecrats, and all the cultural/religious problems that means.
The only thing Bush did wrong was enact two large spending programs; the massive education bill and the prescription drug bill. Ironically, Democrat blast him for his 'deficit spending' for the things they ostensibly agreed with him on. The leftwing is 100% hypocritical.
What would you call the minor, minor, little other thing Bush did....the WAR?
If 76.5% of Americans are Christian and 60% are conservative or somewhat conservative, .765 * .6 = .459, that is, with no further information we would predict a 45.9% overlap. How'd you guys do in the last election? Oh yeah, 46%.
These figures are for the entire population, amigo. The GOP figures to have a much higher concentration of Christians and conservatives.
Sounds like you got it all figured out. Maybe you should work for the RNC!
McCain only won the nomination because the right wing vote was split, and he ran a right-wing general election campaign. Before the primaries, a lot of folks wanted him drummed out of the party because apparently God-fearing red-blooded Americans must endorse torturing prisoners in order to be authentic.
This is correct, that McCain won because of a split vote. It is irrelevant that he ran as a conservative. Nobody believed him because of his past sidings with liberals.
If you are a politician and you use a racial slur against someone who is pointing a videocamera at you, you ought to be beaten on the basis of pure stupidity, never mind racism.
Racial slur? Nobody even knew what in the hell 'macaca' meant. Most people agreed it was a nonsense word. It was finally ascertained that it "might" have been used 100 years ago in some North African country. Nah, that wasn't a stretch to smear an entire career as 'racist' based on this manufactured "offense".
What would you call the minor, minor, little other thing Bush did....the WAR?
Bush turned out to be right in every way about the war, and you liberals were wrong in every way. I'm sure you remember the drumbeat that the war was 'unwinnable'. Guess what. Iraq is a stable Democracy, there are few casualties, and we are out of there.
Odd how nobody talks about this, isn't it?
Bush was also right in that he could stop further attacks by taking the fight straight to the enemy. ZERO attacks after 9-11.
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