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So tell me what I said was anti-American?
I pay taxes to the US and will certainly criticize my country when I see something wrong with it, and with the fools that want to impose US policies on other countries.
Do you whine when the US refuses to admit people to its shores?
What would you say if other countries that have no problem with other issues such as gay marriage whine all over the world that they're being wronged by US policies?
Try some critical thinking.
Your Anti-American remark was here:
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The Brits are not out killing people on their soil as the US chooses to do,
And yes I would object if the US kept out anyone whose speech they found "offensive" based on the terrifying prospect they may express an objectionable idea. I'm surprised you would cite the US keeping John Lennon out as justification for the UK's actions. As an "aging hippie" I thought you would have agreed with me that that was wrong as well.
As for Gay marriage, how many of the world's nations recognize that? Nice try, but not relevant.
As for "imposing US policies on other countries" My belief is that freedom of speech is a god given universal human right - not a US policy. I guess you don't agree. I hate seeing a country with a rich history of debate and the free exchange of ideas lowering itself to this. I'd expect this kind of tripe from the EU burueacracy or maybe one of the continental gov'ts, but not the UK. Sad.
The whole point of the thread is useless. Like many of the threads here on city data, it's long on opinion but short on facts.
Back to the original point of the thread; The UK home office actually banned a number of individuals. Radical Muslims included - almost half the people on the list in fact. So people here can stop playing the "i'm a white male republican everybodies against me!" angle.
Just because any old idiot can spew ignorance and hatred in their own country, it doesn't mean they should be welcomed with open arms into others. Different countries, different rules.
I always thought Brits were up for a good debate. When did they become so sensitive to words and ideas they could'nt stand up, debate and show up a fool like Savage for the moron he is?
I guess the tradition of free flowing ideas symbolized by speakers corner in London and the oxford debate are dying a slow death. Very sad.
Just like the US had the right to "ban" Cat Stevens, the UK also has the same right to ban whoever it chooses. It's not about freedom of speech....any country has the right to deny/admit whoever they choose, so quit the nonsense.
Just like the US had the right to "ban" Cat Stevens, the UK also has the same right to ban whoever it chooses. It's not about freedom of speech....any country has the right to deny/admit whoever they choose, so quit the nonsense.
But Stevens was banned for alleged ties to terrorism, which implys taking actions, not simply espousing ideas, so the comparison is not truly valid. Now weather he should have been on a watch list as a potentail terrorist is another question - It does sound a little far fetched - never the less it is an apples and oranges comparisons.
There's no free speech in the UK, EU, or Canada. It's a crime to use use scientific words, like 'homosexual' or 'negro'. It's a crime to not believe in global warming and punishable with prison time. These countries also censor the Internet.
But Stevens was banned for alleged ties to terrorism, which implys taking actions, not simply espousing ideas, so the comparison is not truly valid. Now weather he should have been on a watch list as a potentail terrorist is another question - It does sound a little far fetched - never the less it is an apples and oranges comparisons.
Links to terrorism...please....all because he converted to Islam and there a few misguided links. Tell me, in your opinion, who is a greater threat; Cat Stevens or Fred Phelps?
I think most of you who in this thread have a very different notion to what freedom is (compared to other countries) anyway and who the UK denies/allows entry to is really none of any of your concerns.
Besides, I bet you'd scream like little b*tches if a British person even dared to question who the US denies/allows into this country.
There's no free speech in the UK, EU, or Canada. It's a crime to use use scientific words, like 'homosexual' or 'negro'. It's a crime to not believe in global warming and punishable with prison time. These countries also censor the Internet.
Garbage, pure garbage. I don't know of anyone in jail in those countries for any of those things. It makes me wonder what you're smoking, injecting or snorting?
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There's no free speech in the UK, EU, or Canada. It's a crime to use use scientific words, like 'homosexual' or 'negro'. It's a crime to not believe in global warming and punishable with prison time. These countries also censor the Internet.
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