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Old 05-10-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Roy -

You really scare easily. One shouldn't live his life in fear. Bush and Cheney are now officially gone. And even though Cheney is still trying his best to frighten you, it only works if you let it.
Should I not be afraid of The Man when I know so little about his earlier life? Take that one sentence in the letter that addresses a bit of this problem: You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support..

Who did pay for his schooling? Why aren't we allowed to find out some of that from his enrollment forms? How do we learn about him from high school on? WHY can't we know about his earlier life other than the fact that he was a community organizer who based his work on the teachings of Saul Alinsky? We should know much more about his earlier life than we do and I don't know how to learn about those things. He has more lawyers working to keep his background covered and more money to pay them than anyone has to beat them. Yep, I guess he will always be a ghost to most of us.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You scare easy, too.
You use a Moveon.org video to tell anybody anything? How about the Moveon.org thing about, as they called him, General Betray Us? Do you consider that to be something really truthful? Was McCain being serious when he said that?

Surely you can do better than those two things.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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A fine assessment indeed. It seems with too many blessings, people are eager to count the curses. Even stranger when those curses are really just figments of the imagination spurred on by a TV overdose. We shouldn't fear the ideological pendulum in the Executive branch near as much as we should fear those who fear it.
Stingray, it is not the swing in the Executive branch that I fear but the swing in the Legislative branch at the same time that I fear. I would be relaxed with McCain, as much as I didn't want him there, or with a bit less control of the Congress by the Dems but the way it is now I fear the outcome.

I hope you don't become one of those OMG voters, like many have become already, because that may make things as bad as I fear they will become.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Should I not be afraid of The Man when I know so little about his earlier life? Take that one sentence in the letter that addresses a bit of this problem: You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support..

Who did pay for his schooling? Why aren't we allowed to find out some of that from his enrollment forms? How do we learn about him from high school on? WHY can't we know about his earlier life other than the fact that he was a community organizer who based his work on the teachings of Saul Alinsky? We should know much more about his earlier life than we do and I don't know how to learn about those things. He has more lawyers working to keep his background covered and more money to pay them than anyone has to beat them. Yep, I guess he will always be a ghost to most of us.
I respect your vehemence, and your aforementioned experience (even though I can't imagine voting for Nixon), but it appears you aren't actually reading responses that are trying to talk some sense into your fear.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Here's one for the circular file.

Shorter letter would have been:

I didn't vote for you and I'm bitter.
Signed
Republican loser
Maybe this will make you feel even better. For over a month before the election my signature line on every post in one forum read, "I am voting for Sarah and that white haired guy who is running with her". Does that give you even more ammunition to use in your shortened posts? Just think that old man supported Palin. That should give you much more ammo.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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Very good post Hilltopper, however I have to disagree with you about much of it. I used to think that all that we have could be maintained no matter what, but so much negative has happened the past 3 months that I am not sure we are all the things I want to believe we are and that you say we are. I have seen some real erosion in so much of all that that I just have to disagree with you and I don't want to do that.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

These words say what I feel at this time just over 100 days of Obama and the Congress he has to work with. I am not sure that I could be typing these words, in safety, in 8 years from now. I really wonder if they might not have taken freedom of speech from those who do not agree with them. I hope I am wrong but have no reason to believe that I am with the erosions of things up to now.

Sorry, if this is paranoia I guess I need some professional help and don't know how to make sure that that help isn't an Obamaist.
after reading this post if you are sincere about truly being so fearful, I am sorry I was so flip in my reply. you should feel confident in the American population that if, even in a second term, we would have to fear not being able to express our rights to free speech (to write a letter) our system has far to many safeuards that just can't happen. you will be just fine. remember we lived through bush's admin and when he left office most people in the country were unhappy. go watch the movie "Red Dawn" with patrick swayze and have no fear that we american's will stay free.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I respect your vehemence, and your aforementioned experience (even though I can't imagine voting for Nixon), but it appears you aren't actually reading responses that are trying to talk some sense into your fear.
Doesn't voting for Kennedy in 1960 count for anything? I had to vote for Nixon in 1972 because I couldn't vote for a man who allowed himself to be badgered into promising a small group of convention members that he would push for a guaranteed annual wage if elected. Oh yes, McGovern did just that at the 1972 Dem National Convention. That scared me and many of Obama's promises for socialism did the same this year.

I haven't read a response that comes close to changing my way of thinking, but one poster has come close to making sense, and you are that one. Keep trying as you at least make sense.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:27 PM
 
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Here's one for the circular file.

Shorter letter would have been:

I didn't vote for you and I'm bitter.
Signed
Republican loser
Sums it up well.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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after reading this post if you are sincere about truly being so fearful, I am sorry I was so flip in my reply. you should feel confident in the American population that if, even in a second term, we would have to fear not being able to express our rights to free speech (to write a letter) our system has far to many safeuards that just can't happen. you will be just fine. remember we lived through bush's admin and when he left office most people in the country were unhappy. go watch the movie "Red Dawn" with patrick swayze and have no fear that we american's will stay free.
I have always been very sure that what you say is true but don't feel that way anymore. Oh I do think there is a chance of revolt, and that it won't be peaceful as it should be in this country, but I do think it will come. My real fear is that with the present Congress and President that there could come a real restriction on the rights of people like me to talk as I do. Now you compare what I just said to all the rights we lost under Bush and then tell me that I am totally wrong.

I didn't have any rights taken from me in that last 8 years. I don't know which ones you lost then. Terrorists and their supporters lost some but only if they were out to destroy this nation or some part of it. Seriously, I would like to know which of your rights you lost unless you were in cahoots with some terrorist group. They just didn't take any from me.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:30 PM
 
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Very good post Hilltopper, however I have to disagree with you about much of it. I used to think that all that we have could be maintained no matter what, but so much negative has happened the past 3 months that I am not sure we are all the things I want to believe we are and that you say we are. I have seen some real erosion in so much of all that that I just have to disagree with you and I don't want to do that.
I don't see these kinds of things purely in left vs right terms as life would be so much easier if it were just boiled down to this and that. It is as much about left vs right as it is top vs bottom, the desires of government vs the needs of people, the interest of business vs the interest of individuals.

There has been an erosion of liberty in the US, there is corruption from every corner, be it our political leaders, business leaders and even everyday citizens. There has been a decline in general morality as well as our ability to think critically and keep discourse reasonable. However this is nothing new and it is certainly not just because of Obama.

As harsh of a critic as I am of government, the people, business and the inter-relationships between them, I still believe that they system we have is sound. Throughout our history there have been numerous times in which the balance of power has shifted between those mentioned above. Sometimes government does become too corrupt, too greedy and it is the duty of the people to push back and assert the fact that they are the sovereign and remind our leaders who they work for. Sometimes the people succumb to irrational mob mentality and need to be restrained from reacting out of reflex.

I guess I just don't have this fear that so many have as I realize that as long as man has existed, these struggles have continued and are nothing new. To be honest, I'm grateful that I happen to have lived in a relatively peaceful time in human existence when compared to much of our past. America has survived its founding and just barely so. We have survived two world wars and civil war that once threatened to tear the nation apart and put brother against brother. We have been through several serious economic crisis, political crisis and were minutes away from total global nuclear war, yet we remain. So to give any weight to such silly notions as posted in these types of chain mails that are more often written by political operatives than actual real citizens is to surrender reason to emotional reaction and fear. I refuse.
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