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Old 04-05-2007, 09:56 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Congressional Research Service, a body not known for hyperbole or dramatic statement, issued a remarkable 95-page report entitled "China Naval Modernization: Implications for U.S. Navy Capabilities." The details are extensive, and look impressive. Perhaps the most important facts are tucked into the first footnote: "By 2010, China's submarine force will be nearly double the size of the U.S. submarine feet The entire Chinese naval fleet is projected to surpass the size of the U.S. fleet by 2015."

The question you need to ask yourself is why, and why Subs.

And what is Bush doing, grinding up the US military in a pointless conflict when real danger is building.


Just a few fun notes; The British Navy has about half the ships Japan does and the plan to mothball half of those.

The French Navy is stronger than the British Navy for the first time in 250 years.

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Old 04-05-2007, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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I dont know- but someone on another forum posted "George and Lauras easter menu"- alot of ham and pork is to be included.

sunny
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Old 04-05-2007, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Hopewell New Jersey
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OK...I see the trolls have come out to play again...

So now that we no longer have a missle gap, or a bomber gap..... we have a sub gap huh ??

Why subs?? Easy, even older diesel ones can sit off our coast line in international waters with missiles at the ready. Missiles, you know, the ones that Clinton and Sandy Burglar helped them perfect with our technology. you do remember that don't you ??
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Old 04-05-2007, 10:59 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Apparently you are not aware that Mr. Bush is financing the Chinese naval buildup.

Apparently you do not understand the purpose of the Subs.

Apparently you do not understand the reason for the Chinese Naval buildup.

The Chinese Diesel subs are not designed to sit off anyone's shores.

The Chinese Diesel sub are not "older", they are a damned sight more silent than nukes, as the USN discovered recently when a Chinese Diesel sub surfaced in the middle of a US carrier task force,,,,, undetected.

And finally, you do not have anywhere near accurate information on the satellite technology China acquired, or how it acquired it.

Your blaming Clinton is standard practice for those who are ideologically blinded. It is done all the time by those who do not think.

America faces a serious problem, the most serious problem since the fall of the Soviet Union, and you, like your President, are fiddling.
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Old 04-05-2007, 11:16 PM
 
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Apparently you are not aware that Mr. Bush is financing the Chinese naval buildup.

Apparently you do not understand the purpose of the Subs.

Apparently you do not understand the reason for the Chinese Naval buildup.

The Chinese Diesel subs are not designed to sit off anyone's shores.

The Chinese Diesel sub are not "older", they are a damned sight more silent than nukes, as the USN discovered recently when a Chinese Diesel sub surfaced in the middle of a US carrier task force,,,,, undetected.

And finally, you do not have anywhere near accurate information on the satellite technology China acquired, or how it acquired it.

Your blaming Clinton is standard practice for those who are ideologically blinded. It is done all the time by those who do not think.

America faces a serious problem, the most serious problem since the fall of the Soviet Union, and you, like your President, are fiddling.
Wow , I am amazed GBG, glad to see the real you show up, or is it? Either way I couldnt agree with you more, although that last sentence almost sounds a bit like the fearmongering you are always chiding the rest if us scaredy cats about! I am with you all the way on this one!
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Old 04-05-2007, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Hopewell New Jersey
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Apparently you are not aware that Mr. JBrown knew exactly what your reaction would be. you are as predictable as ever.

Apparently you just finished reading a remarkable 95-page report entitled "China Naval Modernization: Implications for U.S. Navy Capabilities. As a result of your exhaustive effort you are now prepared to admonish all others with your recently aquired knowledge. If only it was that easy.

I find this statement most interesting
" And finally, you do not have anywhere near accurate information on the satellite technology China acquired, or how it acquired it. "

From that statement I gather in your opinion you do know the satellite technology involved and how they acquired it; that maybe but you certainly havn't demonstrated it.. But since you have NO CLUE whatsoever what my background and field has been for over 30 years I'd like for you to explain how you came to that ridiculous conclusion.
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Old 04-06-2007, 08:33 AM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Silas, it is good to pay attention to what I say, you may not agree with everything I say, but I do my homework, I have been clear on the China problem. The intention of the Chinese is to stop the US Navy from operating in WestPac, by destroying the American Carriers. ( JBrown is just dribbling on himself).

The Chinese are building a sub fleet designed solely to take on the American battle groups. and, hundreds of anti ship missiles for the same purpose.

The problem we face, is that if they can show the Japanese they can deny the Western Pacific to the US, Japan will have a tough decision, whether to align with China or stick with the US which can no longer protect them, South Korea has the same problem.

I lay this right at the door of Mr. Bush. A threat grows, and he is only concerned about whacking Arabs and Persians. If you toss in the rising debt and trade deficit to China which has happened under Bush's watch, the non issue of the technology problems with supposedly occured under Clinton's watch, pale into utter insignificance.
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Old 04-06-2007, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Naples
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China has been the "real" problem for a long time. We're too busy chasing ghosts to realize it. Instead of solidifying alliances, we're alienating the world. If China were to attack us, who would help? Anyone?
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Old 04-06-2007, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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China has been the "real" problem for a long time. We're too busy chasing ghosts to realize it. Instead of solidifying alliances, we're alienating the world. If China were to attack us, who would help? Anyone?
China wouldn't attack, we have too many nuclear weapons, and against THEM, we'd use'em. We certainly wouldn't win a ground war in our current condition.

However, they could make our lives VERY miserable if they wanted to.


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Old 04-06-2007, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Naples
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China wouldn't attack, we have too many nuclear weapons, and against THEM, we'd use'em. We certainly wouldn't win a ground war in our current condition.

However, they could make our lives VERY miserable if they wanted to.


~T
I doubt we'd use nukes unless they attacked us on US soil. They're too smart to do that, right now, anyway.

You gotta realize, China has been playing this game for several thousand years. The US has only been playing it for a couple hundred.
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