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I just laugh when i see the constitution, Law and cost brought into this argument. Amendments to the USA Constitution are easier than changes to the UK constitution but the UK has now a NHS to be proud of.
America has first class health care already. The argument is not that but the cost of that health care. Try to stay up.
And, what does it take to change the United States Constitution Geeoro? Do you REALLY know?
The United States is not getting a "UK" type health care delivery system. This is an indisputable fact Geeoro.
We are however getting some major changes that will not only make health insurance much more affordable but, allow for anyone that wants health insurance to get it, regardless of their financial situation.
Given that 40+% of our population are not covered by insurance does it mean 40% are not getting health care? I hope not.
I cannot understand how a publicly owned system operated by folks making government salaries and not having to create a profit is going to be more expensive than the private sector scam we now have.
I wonder if the really wealthy consider a UHC another erosion of their privilege. After all what good is it to be rich if it does not get you the best care at facilities that are free of the clutter of treating the untermensch. After all good health care is a privilege to be paid for and is not to be obtained for free. That would be socialism and other bad words.
Given that 40+% of our population are not covered by insurance
Not true Greg. Not true at all.
We have a population in excess of 350 million people. The estimate is that some 35 to 40 million don't have insurance AND it is estimated that some 12 to 15 million of this number are illegal immigrants.
I don't know where you came up with 40% but, it is wrong.
I cannot understand how a publicly owned system operated by folks making government salaries and not having to create a profit is going to be more expensive than the private sector scam we now have.
Well, one of the arguments is that all the people who aren't getting health care will start getting it and that's going to make it cost more than not getting them health care. Kind of a lame argument.
Good for you. Consider yourself lucky. You have been employed by companies that not only offer insurance but offer you a choice of insurance. So screw the rest of us, eh? You got yours and it works for you. That's what it's all about. You just be sure you keep that job and don't let the company fold.
It would seem you are acknowledging that insurance companies do make "health care decisions for us" after all. You just like the euphemism "monitor therapy" better.
Well that argument has 2 sides. You choose to work in a crumby job that doesn't offer health or doesn't offer choices so you want going to force the 85% of people who do to subsidize you.
No they don't, they decide what they are going to pay for you can make the decision to pay out of pocket. You want a Cadillac they will pay for Honda. You want a Cadillac you can pay for it. If it was your dime I think your priorities would be slightly different.
I wonder how those who back private for profit health insurance would feel if they went to the grocery store. They buy milk, bread and an avaocado. AFTER paying for it they encounter a group of people at the end of the checkout who go into a discussion of whether or not the items can leave the store.
They deny the buyer the right to consume their products because of the avocado clause...it's in the fine, fine, fine print.......
nope, you already HAVE an avocado at home...you can leave but without your PURCHASE....sorry, but the store has that right because they need to make more money...and not allowing the buyers to take their groceries home AFTER PAYING FOR THEM is a SUPER way to do it!!!
Let's all hope more companies adopt this great way to make more profits!!!!!!!!
Interesting scenario but more appropriate one would be you pay the grocery store a flat rate of $100 per month for groceries then you try to empty the store of it's contents.
Hey if you pay for health care out of your own pocket no one will say anything. The minute you ask some one else to pay for it (government or insurance) they are going to want a say in what you walk out of the store with.
Interesting scenario but more appropriate one would be you pay the grocery store a flat rate of $100 per month for groceries then you try to empty the store of it's contents.
Hey if you pay for health care out of your own pocket no one will say anything. The minute you ask some one else to pay for it (government or insurance) they are going to want a say in what you walk out of the store with.
""""Hey if you pay for health care out of your own pocket no one will say anything. """
I pay my premiums out of my own pocket but the INSURANCE company decides if I get what I need, NOT the doctor.
"""The minute you ask some one else to pay for it (government or insurance) they are going to want a say in what you walk out of the store with""""
The difference is the government will not be a private"Profit Above all Else" entity......and they will let the doctor's and the patients decide care.....show me where it says they won't.....NOBODY has yet so I won't hold my breath.
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why would the federal government worry about profit? they're extortionists.
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""""Hey if you pay for health care out of your own pocket no one will say anything. """
I pay my premiums out of my own pocket but the INSURANCE company decides if I get what I need, NOT the doctor.
"""The minute you ask some one else to pay for it (government or insurance) they are going to want a say in what you walk out of the store with""""
The difference is the government will not be a private"Profit Above all Else" entity......and they will let the doctor's and the patients decide care.....show me where it says they won't.....NOBODY has yet so I won't hold my breath.
Do you really trust congress with our healthcare? What is their trackrecord, R or D,
to be able to trust them to devise a succesful Healthcare plan for all Americans?
Pelosi: House taking up health care before recess - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Pelosi-House-taking-up-health-apf-15229535.html?sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode - broken link)=
I pay my premiums out of my own pocket but the INSURANCE company decides if I get what I need, NOT the doctor.
I find this an interesting comment because, everytime, and I do mean everytime, I have been to my doctor, and she says that she wants me to get ABC -- whatever, I've gotten it, and it has been paid for by my insurance company.
Recently, I was told I needed surgery - NOW. I was operated on within hours - and it was paid for by my insurance.
So, it seems to me that my Doctor, in consultation with her patient - ME - made the decisions what I needed.
And not the insurance company.
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