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Old 05-16-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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Conservatives didn't like the mess that was made of Europe. That's why they came over and started their own country in 1776. Now it's your turn to leave, liberals. Let us have our country back. You people can go start another socialist utopia like Cuba.

I wish liberals could live in the ultimate results of their own extreme ideology. They should have to spend a year in Cuba. I'll bet 12 months of living in squalor, waiting in line after line, and 1950's technology would change them real quick.
You are making my morning! Thank you. I won't feel so bad having to work on a Saturday.

Socialism? In 1776? My ass is gone, I've lauged it off so much from reading your posts.

Since one defining factor of conservatism is keeping the status quo, those who chose to leave Europe would not be conservative, by definition.
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Public employee = unmotivated indifferent zombie
Private employee = cheerful goal-oriented pleaser
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Which works better?
Well, it's a matter of taste...Prozac or Zoloft...

In your case, I'd say skip them both and go directly for the Thorazine.
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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1) Are any of you like me in that you do not understand how Americans could possibly allow an incompetent inexperienced socialist marionette destroy every enterprise we have held dear for two centuries?

2) Does it seem like he's getting it done without even a whimper?

3) Does it seem like so many are nonchalant about Obama taking away freedoms we may never enjoy again? Such as the best healthcare system in the world?

4) Are you amazed that Republicans have forgotten the formula that always wins elections and always fixes the economy? That is, cutting spending and taxes?

5) Are you surprised the mainstream media has abandoned all pretenses of fairness --even for them-- to support this circus clown as he destroys our nation?


I refuse to believe America will turn into Europe. Think about it. The people who comprise the United States descended from people who had the gumption to move here from another country to seek a better life. Surely, that same drive and initiative will prevent them from allowing Obama to take away their way of living.

Or maybe most people ARE up in arms, but the MSM is squelching it to make it appear the manchild is loved and his programs are popular.

SURELY, these enterprising people will derail this idiot in 2010 by electing conservative Congressmen to stop him.
Yes. Yes, we are. Thank you for asking.
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Earth
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You are making my morning! Thank you. I won't feel so bad having to work on a Saturday.

Socialism? In 1776? My ass is gone, I've lauged it off so much from reading your posts.

Since one defining factor of conservatism is keeping the status quo, those who chose to leave Europe would not be conservative, by definition.
In 1776, American conservatives were opposed to breaking away from the monarchy and the established church, and would have viewed the Continentals as being traitors.
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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Of course it's free market. The boards know they have to offer a competitive package to get the best leaders. Why would they do otherwise?
I'm not sure you're clear on what "a free market" means in this context. A free market would actually serve to hold down compensation rates over time, since a large number of CEO candidates would be offering their services for increasingly competitive prices. The market would then use something like a statistical analysis of performance over time to create a valuation chart of different candidates, and the candidates would be paid that rate, more or less, with performance incentives.

That is NOT what happens, though. Instead, we have executive compensation subcommittees made up of a small number of people who:

-sit on a number of boards and compensation committees of different corporations, thus reducing "fiduciary loyalty" to any particular corporation

-all "run in the same circles," and thus have a social incentive not to "lowball" their own friends, or friends of friends

-have hopes of being CEOs themselves some day, and thus have an incentive to pump up CEO pay in order to benefit themselves later on

-want to make sure their friends get paid "either way," and thus approve "golden parachute" contract clauses which ensure that, even in the case of spectacular failure, the CEO will still get his payday

Like I noted; that's an oligopoly. It has little to do with a free market.
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Old 05-16-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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LMAO!

I knew you'd deny and rationalize any facts presented.

I didn't say "medical spending." The CBO did, and that includes all associated health care costs, including insurance.

More than half? You are too, too funny. Are you seriously claiming that ~$1 trillion per year is handed out in malpractice awards?

You, sir or ma'am, are seriously deluding yourself if you truly believe what you say.
You are seriously deluding yourself if you think the total cost increase of patients because of malpractice payouts and insurance are only 2%. A figure that small wouldn't cause doctors to hang up their stethoscopes.

An Analysis of the Impacts of the Medical Malpractice System - Policy Note - Washington Policy Center (http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/Centers/healthcare/policynote/03_montague_malpractice.html - broken link)
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Old 05-16-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Remember those simple formulas you learned in first year algebra?Something like this---If A = B and B = C then A = C. Apply that to ideology.---
If Liberalism = Socialism and Socialism = Communism then Liberalism = Communism.
LMAO...i love the Communism tag to socialism...this is so far from the truth and i should know i lived in a socialistic country and believe me there isn't communism involved.
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Old 05-16-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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Capitalism and Socialism work well together and balance each other out.
Yes, and this is known as fascism.

The perfect marriage between Big Business and Big Government.
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Old 05-16-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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"The BIG mistake socialists always make it misjudging human nature. Man HAS to have an incentive to do his best. Man has an innate desire to compete and earn the fruits of his work. Socialists act like this is a character shortcoming. They think people should work to their fullest "for the good of the group". That sounds great, but it's not how people operate. That's why, in most government settings and in socialist countries, you have people going through the motions while at work, just like zombies. Why? It doesn't matter if they work hard or not; they get paid the same. It doesn't matter if they're customer friendly or not. Same pay. Here's a little test. Call the municipal building of any large city. Chances are, the person who answers will range from indifferent to downright rude. Perhaps they are friends or relatives of the mayor. They weren't hired because they were the best candidates available, and they have no incentive to get better. They have their jobs no matter what. They don't have to please the public. Contrast that with a private firm. If the receptiionist were habitually rude, customers would complain, her boss would find out about it, and she would be told to shape up or leave".........Weegie.

I agree that man needs an incentive to do his work. Why then is the salary of a CEO not enough incentive? When the CEO or Exec gets his salary .... is that for just turning up or getting into his office? Why after being payed a extremely good salary does anyone need EXTRA incentives of millions of Dollars? If a bus driver gets his passengers to their destination on time and without crashing does he get a huge bonus? Capitalism is not a crime but if left unchecked becomes a breeding ground for abuse. How many cleaners in AIG got huge bonuses for making the offices clean and healthy for staff and customers to be able to enjoy being there and thus boosting the companies efficiency? NONE!
There are many CEO's who not only just go through the motions but get huge bonuses on the back of some extremely hard work done by their employees. The CEO's even have the luxury of knowing that if they screw up their job, they will be given a huge settlement and a golden parachute. If a employee screws up they get ....FIRED!
Socialism and Capitalism work together in the UK and other successful countries. The safety net of welfare does NOT mean that everyone stops working or has no incentives. The incentive is not to be on below poverty money from welfare but to be successful. Are you saying that Americans, if given welfare, would stop working? Are you saying that Americans, if given the choice between below poverty earnings and high earnings from working are all going to choose poverty? This doesn't happen. Capitalism CANNOT work on its own. Socialism CANNOT work on its own. The pity is that the supporters of Capitalism are afraid that they will lose some kind of "elitist perk" if EVERYONE had good healthcare, schooling or even unemployment payments if they fall on hard times.
This is the true sign of a Capitalist..... ME,ME,ME!
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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But you want the federal government to intrude in our lives by outlawing abortion. Pick and choose, I guess.
No, you do.

It's a states rights issue.

SCOTUS just pulled that ruling right out of their A**es. It has NO basis in the law. Even those liberal law scholars admit Roe was bad law.
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