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Old 05-15-2009, 06:45 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Not going to happen. Yours is the party of NO. The rising generation of voters thinks Republicans are crazy. No, sorry, you will not be regaining control of one or both chambers of congress. We had 6 years of that, and look where it's got us. Not going to happen.
I remember, a year before I graduated high school. The youger set at that time was mobilized against the republican party, after the Nixon, and Ford years. We rejoiced, (maybe not as much, as now, with Obama)when Carter was elected. Thinking we had a brave new world to welcome us into our "time".

Four years later, the democrats had lost all credibility, they had become the party of vacillation, and impotency. The nation couldnt wait to be rid of them. I see a repeat here, and I'm sure the democrats do as well, which concerns me a bit. I dont know if they will allow themselves to repeat the same mistake again. So they will either strive to fix all the problems, and succeed, or they will muck things up so badly, there will be no return. I'm betting on the latter.

Sadly, as I've said here before, both parties are responsible for the place we find ourselves at. A third party alternative, employing common sense, is the fix.
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Old 05-15-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Are you seriously equating a Dictatorship like Cuba to Socialist countries like France, UK, Australia, Canada, Germany etc etc.
Canada and Australia are not and have never been socialist. In fact according to the Cato Institute, Canada is more capitalist than the US.

The UK used to be socialist. It isn't anymore. If a "capitalist" country is defined by lack of universal health care than North Korea, which has no UHC, is capitalist.

You're right about France and Germany.

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At the moment in the UK the Housing prices have stabalised and are beginning to rise.
A close friend of mine is now back in full time employment again after several months out of work.
Britain is a capitalist country that has UHC (like most capitalist countries) and a few vestiges of its former socialism.
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Old 05-15-2009, 06:56 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Canada and Australia are not and have never been socialist. In fact according to the Cato Institute, Canada is more capitalist than the US.

The UK used to be socialist. It isn't anymore. If a "capitalist" country is defined by lack of universal health care than North Korea, which has no UHC, is capitalist.

You're right about France and Germany.



Britain is a capitalist country that has UHC (like most capitalist countries) and a few vestiges of its former socialism.
So what do you define a socialist country as?
The UK is still a socialist country but exists alongside capitalism.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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So what do you define a socialist country as?
A mixed economy with some degree of planning in which the government has nationalized a few strategic industries and which social justice is considered some sort of ideal.

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The UK is still a socialist country but exists alongside capitalism.
Maybe with the bank nationalizations the socialism's come back a little bit, but Britain is definitely capitalist. Labour hasn't been a socialist party since 1994 and is more economically free market than the Conservatives of 40 years ago.
The economic policies followed by Blair and - until recently - by Brown are not socialist.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Default Good for Weegie

As a newcomer to other than the travel forums on this site,am just getting the feel of things.One thing is quite apparent,and that is the sharp left mindset.Daily Kos part 2,or moveon org lite comes to mind.Piling on Weegie rather seals things.With only minor things,I agree with everything that he(she?) has posted on this thread.So now there is at least two of us on this thread that fears greatly for the survival of the Republic.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:19 PM
 
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As a newcomer to other than the travel forums on this site,am just getting the feel of things.One thing is quite apparent,and that is the sharp left mindset.Daily Kos part 2,or moveon org lite comes to mind.Piling on Weegie rather seals things.With only minor things,I agree with everything that he(she?) has posted on this thread.So now there is at least two of us on this thread that fears greatly for the survival of the Republic.

how dramatic.."fears greatly for the survival of the Republic" my goodness have you and the other posters that "fear for our country" lived here long enough to now how our country works? we have far to many safe guards in place for the worry you guys have to ever happen. we had 8 years of bush. we lived to tell the tale. we will have (I hope) 8 years of obama and YOU will live to tell the tale.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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A mixed economy with some degree of planning in which the government has nationalized a few strategic industries and which social justice is considered some sort of ideal.



Maybe with the bank nationalizations the socialism's come back a little bit, but Britain is definitely capitalist. Labour hasn't been a socialist party since 1994 and is more economically free market than the Conservatives of 40 years ago.
The economic policies followed by Blair and - until recently - by Brown are not socialist.
Labour is and always will be a socialist party.
In todays global economy it is impossible for any country to succeed with just Capitalism or Socialism. Both work well together but fail if used exclusively
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:26 PM
 
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Labour is and always will be a socialist party.
From 1994 - and especially since 1997 - up until VERY recently Labour was no longer socialist, but centrist. What kind of socialist endorses Rudy Giuliani for US president like Gordon Brown did before Rudy's campaign ended?

The major differences between Brown and Cameron are that Cameron is more socially liberal while Brown is a little more to the left economically but socially more conservative. Let's put it this way: Brown 50 years ago would have been a Tory. As Chancellor of the Exchequer he continued Thatcher's economic policies. He's recently shown some enthusiasm for more government action because of the economic crisis.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:28 PM
 
Location: southern california
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its does not matter who is in the oval office, our greed and arrogance have caught up with us.

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Old 05-15-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Default Right on time

It only took 11 minutes for the first howl of outrage to hit this board.How predictable.More will come.
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