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View Poll Results: Under which circumstances should abortion be legal, if at all?
Legal under any circumstances 47 39.83%
Legal under most circumstances 35 29.66%
Legal only in a few circumstances 27 22.88%
Illegal in all circumstances 9 7.63%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-19-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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Actually, you're right. The only "guidance and information" Planned Parenthood will give is that abortion is legal, and they have that "option". I doubt Planned Parenthood ever discusses the fact that it is a real baby, a person, and that abortion is killing a real baby, or the option of adoption.
Actually, a friend of mine had an abortion a few years back at planned parenthood and she had to go to 2 different counseling sessions before she was allowed to get the procedure done. I was there during one of them and they give you plenty of literature and tell you to go talk to your church, your parents, your SO etc etc to make SURE the choice you're making is the correct one. They know it's a permanent choice and want to make absolutely sure that it's the correct one for you.

I don't know if all of them are like that, but that's my experience.
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:34 PM
 
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LOL! Sure. If you say so. So they do free abortions?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf

All of their financials are easily found. You do understand how a not-for-profit organization works, right? It doesn't mean they provide things for free.

Abortion services are the smallest thing they provide.
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:51 PM
 
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http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf

All of their financials are easily found. You do understand how a not-for-profit organization works, right? It doesn't mean they provide things for free.

Abortion services are the smallest thing they provide.

Yep. I went to PP a few times for birth control when my insurance lapsed a few years back. I was called a murderer, a baby killer and a few other names as well because I happened to go on a day when protesters were there. I can completely imagine a girl turning around and not getting her BC because of that. How is that helping exactly?
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:57 PM
 
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Yep. I went to PP a few times for birth control when my insurance lapsed a few years back. I was called a murderer, a baby killer and a few other names as well because I happened to go on a day when protesters were there. I can completely imagine a girl turning around and not getting her BC because of that. How is that helping exactly?
Worse, not getting her annual check-up and PAP, and dying of cervical cancer because of it.
Planned Parenthood is about woman's health. Period.
I was uninsured for years, and relied upon their low-cost health services.
I credit my health- and the health of many other low-income women- to them.
Women simply need more types of screenings than men, and they need them at a younger age, an age when many young people do not have stable careers and are not yet insured.
How many young lives has Planned Parenthood saved through regular screenings, early cancer detection and treatment?
They are a fine organization, one which I support without reservation.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:23 PM
 
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Actually, a friend of mine had an abortion a few years back at planned parenthood and she had to go to 2 different counseling sessions before she was allowed to get the procedure done. I was there during one of them and they give you plenty of literature and tell you to go talk to your church, your parents, your SO etc etc to make SURE the choice you're making is the correct one. They know it's a permanent choice and want to make absolutely sure that it's the correct one for you.

I don't know if all of them are like that, but that's my experience.
If PP wants you to have all the information possible, why are they so vigorously opposing all abortion patients seeing a sonogram of the fetus?
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:27 PM
 
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Yep. I went to PP a few times for birth control when my insurance lapsed a few years back. I was called a murderer, a baby killer and a few other names as well because I happened to go on a day when protesters were there. I can completely imagine a girl turning around and not getting her BC because of that. How is that helping exactly?
I don't believe your story. The people I've protested with never ever call women disparaging names, and I've been to hundreds of protests in many different cities. They try to talk them out of it beforehand and as a practice are kind to the women. I believe you are lying in order to convey a false stereotype.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
 
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I don't like to get involved in big controversies, and didn't bother to read the entire thread, but in my opinion, it should always be legal if the pregnant woman wants it.
It's nobody else's business.
Only a barbaric society would force a woman to stay pregnant against her will.
I trust that a woman who would undergo this surgery has valid reasons for doing so. I don't need to know what they are, and neither do churches or politicians. They are between her and her conscience, and that is where the decision should remain.
Incredible that the people who want to save children they don't even know are called 'barbaric'. Leftwingers turn everything on it's head. Evil is called good and good is called evil.

BTW, let's say the same thing about rape, shall we? Rape isn't anyone's business but the man who wants it. If you deprive a man of his choice to rape, you are a barbarian. It is between the man and his conscience, and that is where the decision should remain.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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Planned Parenthood gives all options to pregnant women, including assistance with adoption, and also provides low cost prenatal care for women carrying to term.
Except the option of a woman viewing the sonogram of her fetus. On that issue, they are fighting against tooth and nail. And a totally coincidental sidebar to that is, PP would be losing out on thousands of dollars for each abortion not performed.
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:29 PM
 
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If PP wants you to have all the information possible, why are they so vigorously opposing all abortion patients seeing a sonogram of the fetus?
They already ask you if you want to see, why should a woman be legally forced to?
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:30 PM
 
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I don't believe your story. The people I've protested with never ever call women disparaging names, and I've been to hundreds of protests in many different cities. They try to talk them out of it beforehand and as a practice are kind to the women. I believe you are lying in order to convey a false stereotype.
I volunteered at a clinic for almost 2 years as an escort, and those types of things happened EVERY DAY abortions were scheduled. You're living in fantasy land if you say you have never heard anyone called a murderer (or worse) walking into a clinic.
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