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Would you support legalized murder of a 2 year old by a parent making it "the parent's choice" or "the mother's choice"?
You go on and on about legislating morality but the reality is that almost all criminal laws are, in fact, based on moral principles. Murder, rape, assault, theft, etc.
No because as I said people murdering people is disruptive to a harmonious, functioning and preferably free society. Laws are not based upon morality they are based on the three aforementioned things, though by no means are the two mutually exclusive. Tell me what is the morality in a speed limit, lawn ordinance, or a standardized accounting system?
No because as I said people murdering people is disruptive to a harmonious, functioning and preferably free society. Laws are not based upon morality, though the two are by no means mutually exclusive. They is based upon these three things. Tell me what is the morality in a speed limit, lawn ordinance, or a standardized accounting system?
None.
But laws such as murder, rape, assault, etc. are based on moral principles.
That's why I said "most criminal laws"....most and criminal being the key words.
But laws such as murder, rape, assault, etc. are based on moral principles.
That's why I said "most criminal laws"....most and criminal being the key words.
As I said sometimes they are not mutually exclusive. As to criminal laws one can get in a lot of criminal trouble for violating accounting laws. As can one get into serious criminal trouble for violating airport regulations even if there was no immoral intent behind their actions. There are many criminal laws, too many to list that have nothing to do with morality.
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Abortion is obviously murder. Some people think its okay because the baby is still living in the mother. But say if someone were to push a pregnant woman down the stairs (and she wanted the baby), and the baby was "lost", everyone would say the guy killed her baby. But when people decide to kill babies themselves its okay.
Originally posted by afoigerkok
The fetus is biologically a parasite. Yes, I believe it's a life and, yes, I believe abortion is murder. But, at the same time, pregnancy is incredibly taxing on the body and I'm unwilling to support forcing women to go through it if they had no say in becoming pregnant. It's a little balancing test I've done to balance the rights of the fetus with the rights of the woman. IMO, the rape exception should apply only in the first trimester.
There are some other things to consider - if a woman was forced to carry a rape baby to term, she may be more likely to commit suicide with the constant reminder of the rape in her body. If the child is born, she may literally hate him or her; the child would suffer a lot. Make no mistake - I don't condone abortion in a rape situation, I think other options including state-funded counseling/therapy, adoption, etc. should be offered, stressed, and made available. That said, I'm still unwilling to support taking away the right to an abortion in that instance.
As far as incest, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that most incest situations are a more subtle form of rape. There's also a substantially increased risk of fetal deformities. This exception should also apply only in the first trimester.
Those are really good points afoigerkok. They're definitely worth pondering and I'll consider this. I do agree though that if it is legal in those instances it should only be in the first trimester.
Those are really good points afoigerkok. They're definitely worth pondering and I'll consider this. I do agree though that if it is legal in those instances it should only be in the first trimester.
Why are babies who are in the womb only 2 1/2 months not as worthy of life as babies in the womb 5 months?
You mean like people on ventilators? Should we be allowed to murder them, if they become "unwanted?"
If they had to be hooked up to other people's bodies in order to survive, instead of to mindless machines, then yes.
The person whose body they were hooked up to should and would have the right to disconnect them at any time.
If they had to be hooked up to other people's bodies in order to survive, instead of to mindless machines, then yes.
The person whose body they were hooked up to should and would have the right to disconnect them at any time.
Ah, so it's the ole real estate premise: location, location, location. In the womb, a parasite, out of the womb; a tax write off?
Bottom line: Abortion, when performed correctly, results in death 100% of the time. You support this. I stand for life.
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