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Old 07-27-2011, 05:33 PM
 
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The market should dictate what cars companies manufacture and not the federal government. The federally subsidized GE Volt is largely a market failure.
When you can only go 40 miles before recharging and that recharging takes 12 hours of course its going to be a fail. Oh but then it transfers over to gasoline once the charge runs out. Wonder how many plugs stay in the back of the car after rangling with it to plug in every night? Not to mention how much juice it adds to your electric bill a month. Nobody thinks of things like that when they fire off their knee jerk save the planet BS. Not even mentioning the rare earth elements we don't have that are needed to make the batteries.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:38 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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When you can only go 40 miles before recharging and that recharging takes 12 hours of course its going to be a fail. Oh but then it transfers over to gasoline once the charge runs out. Wonder how many plugs stay in the back of the car after rangling with it to plug in every night? Not to mention how much juice it adds to your electric bill a month. Nobody thinks of things like that when they fire off their knee jerk save the planet BS. Not even mentioning the rare earth elements we don't have that are needed to make the batteries.

Hey your post is food for thought? well when you put things in this perspective, makes me think.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Cedar Hill "The Chill", Texas
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This will kill jobs in the same way every previous raise to MPG standards did in the past. Wait...that didn't happen.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:40 PM
 
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When you can only go 40 miles before recharging and that recharging takes 12 hours of course its going to be a fail. Oh but then it transfers over to gasoline once the charge runs out. Wonder how many plugs stay in the back of the car after rangling with it to plug in every night? Not to mention how much juice it adds to your electric bill a month. Nobody thinks of things like that when they fire off their knee jerk save the planet BS. Not even mentioning the rare earth elements we don't have that are needed to make the batteries.
Limiting people's ability to travel long distances in relatively short time, as we do today, is necessary to reach the goals of Agenda 21. Renewable energy cannot provide all the power needed and Obama is killing the coal industry which provides for much of this country's electricity.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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It's not an electric car mandate. If companies truly cared about the well-being of their customers and society in general, they would have pushed for more R&D.

50+ mpg gasoline engines are not impossible. Companies will have to adapt. They have done so in Europe; why not in America? And as far as I know, Europe is not broke and not jobless as a result of such regulations.

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It is impossible if you want comfort.

there is a reason why van and SUV has lower MPG than seden. Because they are a lot heavier.

Anyone who drive a big car will not go drive a smaller car, because it is a lot more comfortable.

There is a trade off and it should let consumer to choice where they want more MPG or more comfort.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: NW MT
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When you can only go 40 miles before recharging and that recharging takes 12 hours of course its going to be a fail. Oh but then it transfers over to gasoline once the charge runs out. Wonder how many plugs stay in the back of the car after rangling with it to plug in every night? Not to mention how much juice it adds to your electric bill a month. Nobody thinks of things like that when they fire off their knee jerk save the planet BS. Not even mentioning the rare earth elements we don't have that are needed to make the batteries.
Not only that..... the grid can't even keep up with air conditioning demand when hot out. Now we're going to add a hundred million electric cars to it..... Ya right, not without a BAZILLION dollar upgrade to it and who's paying for that ?
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Limiting people's ability to travel long distances in relatively short time, as we do today, is necessary to reach the goals of Agenda 21. Renewable energy cannot provide all the power needed and Obama is killing the coal industry which provides for much of this country's electricity.
The Amish will be the only ones left to travel on US roadways.


http://amishamerica.com/how-do-amish-travel/
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:56 PM
 
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The Amish will be the only ones left to travel on US roadways.


How do Amish travel?
More Obama trickle-up poverty: bringing the US down to the level of 3rd world nations.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:59 PM
 
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There is a trade off and it should let consumer to choice where they want more MPG or more comfort.
More comfort and more safety which is arguably even more important than comfort.
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Old 07-27-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Yep, no commonsense fuel standards. No considerations for individual liberty and choice. Obama will roll out his new federal fuel standards guaranteed to kill jobs and greatly damage the automotive industry and support industries. Basically it is an "electric car" mandate.

Obama to announce new fuel standards - The Hill's E2-Wire


Obama's Fuel Economy Standards Threaten the Economy - Peter Roff (usnews.com)
When I read stories like this, I mutter to myself....how did it come to this?

And, of course, it's rhetorical. The same way the federal government has encroached upon us in a myriad of other ways that suspend the individual freedom we once enjoyed in this country....within our lifetime, for those of us who remember well the 50s and 60s.

We have been asleep as a nation for so long that most are clueless as to where the strings that pull them even originate. Younger minds have been so completely dependent on them for their entire lives that they couldn't function without them.

That a President....whose constitutional role and authority have nothing whatsoever to do with cars - or fuel - or transportation generally - can announce new mandatory fuel economy standards and have the country follow along with barely a whimper - as though he has any business with his finger in that pie - simply boggles the mind.
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