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View Poll Results: Pro choice or pro life?
I am pro-life with children 79 18.12%
I am pro-life without children 69 15.83%
No opinion-don't care 18 4.13%
I am pro-choice with children 124 28.44%
I am pro-choice without children 146 33.49%
Voters: 436. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2009, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE ME DO SOMETHING WITH MY BODY OR STOP ME FROM DOING WHAT I WANT WITH MY OWN BODY.
Ahhhh, this statement is not totally accurate. There have been cases where a court has ordered certain treatments be done against the patients wishes or the parents wishes.

 
Old 07-26-2009, 10:43 AM
 
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[quote=wjtwet;8881279]tank it belwilders me that peoplethink they can justify a murder becausethe mother so chooses. It bewilders me how scott Peterson is in jail convicted of secodn degree murder of an unborn child, while the mother can kill and we can say its ok becasue she has a right to kill.


Abortion isnt' murder. Murder is the killing of a human being & a fetus is not a human being until birth. As for petersons charges of murder, that law(UVVAct)was passed by Bush...so, what do you expect? That law was designed for the woman ONLY. The law say nothing about the fetus having rights. Its all about the woman...No one but the woman can decide her fetuses fate.
 
Old 07-26-2009, 10:49 AM
 
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Ahhhh, this statement is not totally accurate. There have been cases where a court has ordered certain treatments be done against the patients wishes or the parents wishes.
So just because it has happened before it makes it right for it to be done in all cases? Where does your logic come from? Some people are just plain crazy or nuts, these people need help. But when millions of people do the same thing it is not the same thing.

Please give me a case by case basis where you think it is okay to control someone when they aren't hurting anyone but themselves?

Some people think that people who get tattoos should be made to stop and there should be a limit to how many tattoos someone should have and what type of tattoo one should be allowed to get. Some people think that Men should not be allowed to get piercings. When someone desires to stop someone from doing something the only argument they have it that in their opinion it isnt right. I have never heard a valid argument to justify controlling someone when they arent hurting anyone besides themselves, please if you have a valid argument I would love to hear it, but just becasue you say its wrong or the bible says its wrong or even the law in some cases says it is wrong does not make it wrong.

When will you people get it that controlling someone always ends badly. Abuse someone long enough and you will regret it. Back me into a corner and see what happens? If i was to back you into a corner, you would come out swinging, unless you like being controlled. I dont care who you are, where you are on the political ladder, what your experiances or story is, you have no right to tell me or anyone else what to do...why do you think YOU have that right. I dont want to hear why the government or society has that right, i want to know what gives you that right?
 
Old 07-26-2009, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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tank it belwilders me that peoplethink they can justify a murder becausethe mother so chooses. It bewilders me how scott Peterson is in jail convicted of secodn degree murder of an unborn child, while the mother can kill and we can say its ok becasue she has a right to kill.


Abortion isnt' murder. Murder is the killing of a human being & a fetus is not a human being until birth. As for petersons charges of murder, that law(UVVAct)was passed by Bush...so, what do you expect? That law was designed for the woman ONLY. The law say nothing about the fetus having rights. Its all about the woman...No one but the woman can decide her fetuses fate.
Can not be convicred of murder unless there is life
 
Old 07-26-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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If there was a bus wreck and the bus was on fire, would you refuse to rescue the passengers unless you were assured that over 80% would survive?
One cannot rationally comparing living humna beings with embryos.
When human beings start worrying about non human beings the way they worry about human beings, they descend into irrational, psychotic nonsense.
 
Old 07-26-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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wjtwet, please stop copy and pasting the same post over and over again. The law does not stop us from doing what we want. To say that it stops us from putting drugs in our bodies and sell them for sex is a lie, we can infact do these things and there is nothing anyone can do to stop people from doing so. You can try, but people will always do drugs(which as long as they arent hurting anyone else, who cares) and have sex for some form of payment. A woman that goes to the bar and sleeps with men just because he bought her drinks is just as guilty as a woman who is on the street corner having sex for money. The woman in the bar just skips a step and does it smarter. There is always a way to do things within the law even when the law says you cant. want to do drugs..get a prescription from a doctor, want to have sex for money, get into the porn industry.

NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE ME DO SOMETHING WITH MY BODY OR STOP ME FROM DOING WHAT I WANT WITH MY OWN BODY.

If the law said that you could not go on sites like CD and post your opinion...would you abide by that law? What if the government said that you could no longer take vitamins or eat organic food? would you still abide by the law?

If you like doing something nothing will stop you from doing it. If you think something is your right, there is nothing that will stop you from doing it. People and the government can try but will fail and end up with a battle on their hands. A battle that they will not, and cannot win.

I dare anyone to try to take away my rights, see what happens. You will have a fight on your hands that you wish you never started. Back the wrong people into a corner and see what happens. You will not like the results.

You still have not answered my questions from my previous post. All you did is repaste part of a post that you think sounds good, you probably got rep points from someone and think that it is really good. Let me tell you if I just copy and pasted the same post over and over and over becasue someone I thought or someone said it was good...I would sound as stuck as you do now. You have nothing more to say but the same old arguments. Still no one has answerd my question on what give you the right to tell anyone what to do with their own body. All you have is that the law this, the law that, well obviously you do not support the laws that make up this country becasue you want to make abortion illegal, it is already a law that says it is not illegal to do so. Trying to change a law like this is like trying to change the direction of the wind, neer impossible but if you succeed a storm that will destroy you will develop.
Putting illegal drugs in your body is illegal. So laws do cover what we can and cant do with our bodies. So to say the law can or can not say what a woman does with her body is not a valid arguement. The law tells us many times what we can do with our body
 
Old 07-26-2009, 11:02 AM
 
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[quote=wjtwet;9956096] which shows that the abortion conflict is between the unborn's right to life and a woman's wanting to take responsibility for her actions.

The unborn have NO "right to life", and abortion IS taking responsibility for ones actions. Having children you don't want, isn't.
 
Old 07-26-2009, 11:07 AM
 
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first, this is to think that the law cannot tell us what we can't do with our bodies, which is untrue. we can't put certain drugs in them or sell ourselves for sex.

Thats because both instances eaffect others. Sex spreads diseaes, and drug use leads to crime & other social ills. Abortion hurts no other person.



quote: second, this claim simply ignores the fact that the unborn are completely separate individuals from the mother.

They may be seperate, but the woman OWNS the fetus.

quote: there was a little boy who had surgery for spina bifida before he was even born. at the end of the surgery, the baby reached out of the uterus and grabbed the doctor's finger. who grabbed the doctor's finger? certainly not the mother!
You need to read up on that famous procedure better. The doctor put the fetuses hand on his.
 
Old 07-26-2009, 11:28 AM
 
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[quote=wjtwet;9149623]The comparison to abortion is ludicrously and ridiculous.I have no problem with male birth control.
Abortion Kills , Castration does not so the comparison is wrong.


I believe its more about our individual reproductive freedoms to choose one or the other.... all by ourselves
 
Old 07-26-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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[quote=wjtwet;9608232] You wish to approve the death of an unborn based on money. ]


Is that such a bad idea? we know that poverty is the number one reason for dropping out of high school, joining a gang, violent crime, drug addiction, acholism, and the list goes on. To me, having a child one can't afford is child abuse. When does your concern for the child welfare kick in?
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