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Originally Posted by annaegel
After my husband was layed off from a company that brought him and 350 other families down from NYC. He tried to find another job here in Tampa, but has had only 1 interview. Unemployment services has funding for re-education so he can better his changes to find another job. This is thanks to Obama.
Our Cobra payments are going to be $1,800 a month, but thanks to Obama, they will only be $600 a month.
What a terrible thing! He must be a socialist.
Sounds more Marxist than anything...
"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners:From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
And just for the record, I believe this is the job training that the OP was referring to and it was Obama who put it through:
Obama: Unemployed to Receive New Job Training at SmartMoney.com (http://www.smartmoney.com/breaking-news/on/?story=ON-20090508-000470-0703 - broken link)
That plan was already in existance, PELL grants for the unemployed have been around for a very very long time..
When the steel mills closed in PA and OH, job retraining was offered for displaced workers.
This provided a method of recovery for the hardest hit communities and a way for people to feed their families.
If you have a job, you can be productive member of society. Pretty difficult otherwise.
Thats ONLY true if they go out and gain new employment at an increased wage, which would have happened has they gone out and got a school loan to become educated. Why is it always the taxpayers responsibility to educate the individual, and dont respond with "taxes" because we dont educate people in school to make them taxpayers..
An individual is responsible for their family, I am not.. When you understand the difference then you'll understand why if the training was good to her family, she should be paying for it.. PERIOD.. I'm tired of everyone thinking that because its good for them, the taxpayers should pay for it.. Hell, I'd like to have an indoor swimming pool so I can get exercise in the winter, maybe there is a taxprogram for that..
See this is where we all fundamentally differ and there really is no point in debating at all. I believe it makes for a better society when we all chip into the pot and provide certain programs. I DO recognize there is a limit but I am a big promoter in education. I do NOT believe in letting the weakest just fend for themselves because "it isn't fair" or "that's not my problem". I think that if we were to resort to that we would have a country like India with a majority living in slums. To the people like you that are so extreme, I say go find a country that does believe in survival of the fittest and to each his own and see how that works for you. All I can say is thank God the majority of the people in this country don't think like that.
That plan was already in existance, PELL grants for the unemployed have been around for a very very long time..
Did you read? It is to get BETTER access. Yes Pell grants have been around but once you stop looking for work, you are no longer eligible for unemployment.
" law that stopped unemployment checks if someone stopped seeking employment and returned to school has been a major stumbling block for Americans. The Obama administration also noted that previously, unemployed workers who return to school may not qualify for Pell Grants that are income based. This will change now. "
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Did you read? It is to get BETTER access. Yes Pell grants have been around but once you stop looking for work, you are no longer eligible for unemployment.
" law that stopped unemployment checks if someone stopped seeking employment and returned to school has been a major stumbling block for Americans. The Obama administration also noted that previously, unemployed workers who return to school may not qualify for Pell Grants that are income based. This will change now. "
See this is where we all fundamentally differ and there really is no point in debating at all. I believe it makes for a better society when we all chip into the pot and provide certain programs. I DO recognize there is a limit but I am a big promoter in education. I do NOT believe in letting the weakest just fend for themselves because "it isn't fair" or "that's not my problem". I think that if we were to resort to that we would have a country like India with a majority living in slums. To the people like you that are so extreme, I say go find a country that does believe in survival of the fittest and to each his own and see how that works for you. All I can say is thank God the majority of the people in this country don't think like that.
We all like to promote education, but do you understand that the cost of education has skyrocketed BECAUSE of governmental involvement? Is that so hard for people to understand? Some colleges are sitting on BILLIONS of dollars and they could self fund every single student that goes to their college, why dont they? Because the amount of money that the government continues to give to people to go to school keeps going up, the cost of schooling keeps going up.. Why would it ever drop and the schools ever drop their prices even though they are sitting on BILLIONS if the government is going to continue playing an increasing role on paying for peoples education?
Then I think you should have to pay it back like a student loan down the road when you are back on your feet.
Someone is paying for this, you are only happy because you are reaping the benefits from this.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping people who have been laid off.
But many people who have been laid off dropped insurance coverage because COBRA was so expensive while they were out of work in the past.
I feel if you benefit from going back to school, you should pay it back, and replenish the pot so to speak.
I don't know about FL but that was standard in CA to get an extension on your unemployment or assistance if you went back to school and learned new skills.
Pay it forward. I feel you should have to pay the $5,000 back at some point.
I think in some way the OP will pay it back once her husband receives his education and will more than likely earn a higher income......which leads to more taxes for the gov and they can go out and buy things they probably couldn't normally buy had her stayed unemployed.
I do see where you're coming from though, I really do.
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