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Old 05-25-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:51 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Apparently you're not seeing that the increased taxes are on items that are harmful to people's health?
moderate alcohol consumption is associated with a slew of health benefits; red wine even more so.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:35 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Tax'em both (cigarettes and beer)! Neither one is good for you and they both affect innocent bystanders. Secondhand smoke affects those around smokers and numerous folks are killed each day by drunk drivers.
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Tax'em both (cigarettes and beer)! Neither one is good for you and they both affect innocent bystanders. Secondhand smoke affects those around smokers and numerous folks are killed each day by drunk drivers.
You know there's talk that the next tax is on soda. Not diet though.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html

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"Senate leaders are considering new federal taxes on soda and other sugary drinks to help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health-care system."
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Rather then increasing the taxes on junk food I would rather just see the farm subsidies get eliminated. They all go to corporations who use them to over produce a few items such a cheap corn to make corn syrup so why not let the market decide instead of just funneling tax dollars to corporations? Of course, the corporations pay billions to lobbyists who bribe politicians to do what the corporations want instead of what real people want.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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The problem now is a large proportion of our corn crop is going towards ethanol production; causing in part, the current rise in food commodities. Many food products contain corn or a byproduct of it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Tax'em both (cigarettes and beer)! Neither one is good for you and they both affect innocent bystanders. Secondhand smoke affects those around smokers and numerous folks are killed each day by drunk drivers.
Here we go again, with the unsubstantiated BS. I hope they tax the hell out of something you love, probably junk food. You seem to be the kind that likes that ****.

The taxing crap from the government is just that...crap and so wrong really. The only reason we are being taxed this way is because the government, at this time Obama, wants us to pay for the leaches out there.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:48 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Corn is a horrible thing to make ethanol out of because the petroleum based fertilers used to grow it, to transport the raw materials, and to run the industrial process actually means you use more petroleum equivalents then you regain from the ethanol. There just isn't enough sugar in corn. Now, sugar cane works extremely well and is a net plus on balance but sugar cane mostly is grown in the tropics and the agro corps want their operations subsidized when in fact it would be more effecient to import sugar from tropical countries then is to try to make ethanol out of corn.

Once again we're doing something stupid because a few corporations have bribed Congressmen.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Corn is a horrible thing to make ethanol out of because the petroleum based fertilers used to grow it, to transport the raw materials, and to run the industrial process actually means you use more petroleum equivalents then you regain from the ethanol. There just isn't enough sugar in corn. Now, sugar cane works extremely well and is a net plus on balance but sugar cane mostly is grown in the tropics and the agro corps want their operations subsidized when in fact it would be more effecient to import sugar from tropical countries then is to try to make ethanol out of corn.

Once again we're doing something stupid because a few corporations have bribed Congressmen.
Exactly correct!! We need to look at Brazil. They use Sugar Beets for their fuel and it works great.
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Reeds Spring, MO
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Not only are we being taxed for our "sins", imagine how many people will be out of work once sales start declining on tobacco and beer. Then when sales start declining on soda, because it is taxed. Although I am a diet soda drinker, I will bet that next it will be any carbon based drink. These A-holes in D.C. do not care, they just want money money money.
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