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Old 05-25-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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Yeah you know after 9/11 I don't have much interest in cultivating Islamist theocracies.
They were the 'terrorists' in that particular part of the world, long before the Palestinians were, and even more ruthless.
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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Unfortunately, a president can't get elected without the help of AIPAC. does not matter which side that you are on...Republican or Democrat. Everyone fears these guys.
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:58 PM
 
Location: United States
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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID!!! Abc,cbs,nbc,etc... all played it last year.Maybe you want to say it didn't happen,but it did. Stop with the denial. He is one of the biggest anti-semites since Hitler!!!
This whole "He said he wants to kill all the Jews!" thing has become really old. It has been proven that it was false. "Abc, cbs, nbc, Fox, etc." are all biased western sources in the United states; of course they are going to attack anything Iran! They also claimed Iraq had WMD's, remember? Those news sources are there to make money and produce propoganda. They are the same news sources praising Israel for bombing Palestinian civilians.

There have been translators saying that Ahmadinejad was incorrectly translated. He never said he wanted to kill all the jews. If Iran hated jews so much then why does Iran have the 3rd largest Jewish population in the world? Wouldn't they be getting out of there a.s.a.p.? Quit with the whole "Iran is Nazi!" It is simply not true. Iran is not the one looking to attack another country, Israel is.

Lets take a quick look at wars Iran has started:
Um... hmm... uh... none.
Now lets look at some defensive wars by Iran:
They were attacked by Saddam
They were invaded in both world Wars by the allies
The British and Americans in '53 (the coup, aka operataion ajax) overthew Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq (he was not an enemy of the United States nor the British, not even the Soviets) - Why did this happen? Oil. The British were afraid that Mossadeq was going to nationalize the oil.

Iran has been one of the most peacful countries (even when they were persia, ok except during the early times) in the middle east. Iran is, of course, paranoid right now. Look at their history and now look at where American troops are. Not to mention, Israel has said many times they will attack Iran.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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WIthout Israel we would be up the creek. Oh Please explain that one. Without us...there would be no Israel.

I have heard this argument before, but could someone please explain to me how having Israel as a "friend" help protects our interests. I don't believe there was one I military unit from Israel helping in the invasion of Iraq. No, Israel is a liability. Eventually people stop lending and giving money to their friends every time they ask for it. Eventually people realize that they are not really frends but parasites.

If any country should be giving money to another country, Israel should be giving aid to us. Since you read the economist then you must know that Israel is far more financially stable than we are.

Having Israel as a friend in the region helps in a number of ways. First it helps with intelligence. They can tell us what is going on in a very dangerous neighborhood. The Mossad is a very effective organization. They can act as a proxy for us. They blew up Irans first attempt at making nukes. Also it helps having a democracy in a region where no other democracies exist. The more democratic the world the less violence there would be.

If you knew anything of the politics of the region you would know why they are not on the ground in Iraq.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Eisenhower threatened to cut off aid to Great Britain (which had not yet completely recovered from WW2 at the time and still needed US aid), the oldest and closest ally the US has, and France (again, still recovering from WW2 at the time) if they persisted in invading Egypt.

So if the US threatened to reduce aid to Israel for building settlements this would not be the first time that the US threatened not to help a fellow democracy for pursuing policies harmful to the US' own interests.

If Israel doesn't comply with the goals that the US and previous Israeli governments have agreed to, than that money should go to California rather than Israel.

Building settlements is not harmful to US interests. Capitulating to Hamas is.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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If you knew anything of the politics of the region you would know why they are not on the ground in Iraq.
THAT card as well as the victim one are getting awfully worn.

There's plenty of guilt to go around in the region and it's time Israel accepts its fair share.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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Default What about IraQ how much we spend there?

Israel is our friend and we share the same values with them.

we should keep helping them !!!
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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THAT card as well as the victim one are getting awfully worn.

There's plenty of guilt to go around in the region and it's time Israel accepts its fair share.

What are you talking about? The reason Israel doesn't have boots on the ground in Iraq is because they are hated in the Middle East and as unpopular as the war is with the street (It was looked favorably on by Arab leaders) it would have been an absolute nightmare with the hated jews involved.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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This whole "He said he wants to kill all the Jews!" thing has become really old. It has been proven that it was false. "Abc, cbs, nbc, Fox, etc." are all biased western sources in the United states; of course they are going to attack anything Iran! They also claimed Iraq had WMD's, remember? Those news sources are there to make money and produce propoganda. They are the same news sources praising Israel for bombing Palestinian civilians.

There have been translators saying that Ahmadinejad was incorrectly translated. He never said he wanted to kill all the jews. If Iran hated jews so much then why does Iran have the 3rd largest Jewish population in the world? Wouldn't they be getting out of there a.s.a.p.? Quit with the whole "Iran is Nazi!" It is simply not true. Iran is not the one looking to attack another country, Israel is.

Lets take a quick look at wars Iran has started:
Um... hmm... uh... none.
Now lets look at some defensive wars by Iran:
They were attacked by Saddam
They were invaded in both world Wars by the allies
The British and Americans in '53 (the coup, aka operataion ajax) overthew Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq (he was not an enemy of the United States nor the British, not even the Soviets) - Why did this happen? Oil. The British were afraid that Mossadeq was going to nationalize the oil.

Iran has been one of the most peacful countries (even when they were persia, ok except during the early times) in the middle east. Iran is, of course, paranoid right now. Look at their history and now look at where American troops are. Not to mention, Israel has said many times they will attack Iran.
Iran being the third largest area of jewish population means nothing.Before WWII Germany was one of the leading areas with a jewish population. The news didn't back that there were WMD's in Iraq,only George W said they were there and the intelligent americans including myself knew he was lying. Which papers or news stations said Ahmedinajad,was misquoted or translated improperly,Al Jazeera? Give me a break.ABC,CBS,NBC properly report the news.Unfortunately I can't say the same about Fox,or Al Jazeera(both extremely biased). Also no news stations in the U.S ,EVER praised Israel for going after the Palestinians, thats just you making it up as you go.Ahmedinajad is an anti-semite and he doesn't deny his HATRED for Israel either and when he spoke at the college in the U.S,he was blasted for it. Besides him,I won't blame all Iranians and say that they have the same view because that would be a lie.When a madman leads a country,some will follow and others will go their own way.I suggest that you stop denying what he said and just stick to the point that not all Iranians believe what he does.At least that would be realistic and truthful.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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This whole "He said he wants to kill all the Jews!" thing has become really old. It has been proven that it was false. "Abc, cbs, nbc, Fox, etc." are all biased western sources in the United states; of course they are going to attack anything Iran! They also claimed Iraq had WMD's, remember? Those news sources are there to make money and produce propoganda. They are the same news sources praising Israel for bombing Palestinian civilians.

There have been translators saying that Ahmadinejad was incorrectly translated. He never said he wanted to kill all the jews. If Iran hated jews so much then why does Iran have the 3rd largest Jewish population in the world? Wouldn't they be getting out of there a.s.a.p.? Quit with the whole "Iran is Nazi!" It is simply not true. Iran is not the one looking to attack another country, Israel is.


Lets take a quick look at wars Iran has started:
Um... hmm... uh... none.
Now lets look at some defensive wars by Iran:
They were attacked by Saddam
They were invaded in both world Wars by the allies
The British and Americans in '53 (the coup, aka operataion ajax) overthew Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq (he was not an enemy of the United States nor the British, not even the Soviets) - Why did this happen? Oil. The British were afraid that Mossadeq was going to nationalize the oil.

Iran has been one of the most peacful countries (even when they were persia, ok except during the early times) in the middle east. Iran is, of course, paranoid right now. Look at their history and now look at where American troops are. Not to mention, Israel has said many times they will attack Iran.

If you are saying Iran is a misunderstood peace loving nation you are very wrong. They sent soldiers over the boarder to help terrorists fight the coalition in Iraq. And that is the tip of the iceberg with their mischief.
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