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Old 05-25-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Well, the Mossad did warn us about the impending 9-11 attack - but did Bush listen?
Mossad, our benevolent ally and proxy...you mean such fine people as the "dancing 5"?
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:25 PM
 
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Mossad, our benevolent ally and proxy...you mean such fine people as the "dancing 5"?
And I don't even think our 'valued' ally in the Middle East even sent any troops to W's war in Iraq.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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True, but Jews in Germany didn't really have much warning. Hitler gained power fast and no one during that time would have thought Germany would have started a holocaust.



Yes they did, many times they repeated over and over until Americans thought they were going to war to destroy evil! (Saddam was evil sure but the war in Iraq is and was not a good way to go about removing him from power)



Pretty much every western news source. You don't need a news source to translate. Many translators have said he was mis translated.



Laughable.



Name one news source that isn't. One should only trust independent news sources, ones without agendas.



The complete distortion of facts and exagerations were in support of Israel and still are. Western sources did not want to report onj the WMD's used, the bombing of civilians, schools, and U.N. until it was widely known thanks to the internet. They then tried to change things around by saying "Terrorists were hiding in the U.N.!" blah blah blah.



He does not like Zionism. That is not Jews. He does not like Israel, neither do many Jews.



Of course the Iranian people, most, aren't bad. The media tries to paint them that way.



I suggest you actually look into what you are trying to argue. The facts are Ahmadinejad has never openly said "We must destroy the Jews!"



Iran is extremely peacful compared to other countries. But not perfectly peaceful. It is possible they have been waging a proxy war but there really is no evidence.

Anti semites are a dime a dozen but an Iranian apologist is truly a rare bird.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Having Israel as a friend in the region helps in a number of ways. First it helps with intelligence. They can tell us what is going on in a very dangerous neighborhood. The Mossad is a very effective organization. They can act as a proxy for us. They blew up Irans first attempt at making nukes. Also it helps having a democracy in a region where no other democracies exist. The more democratic the world the less violence there would be.

If you knew anything of the politics of the region you would know why they are not on the ground in Iraq.
Having democracies helps the world? Venezuela is a democracy. Even Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a democracy.

It's funny when a neo-con socialist hypocrite talks about massive government spending as being an "investment". That bs rhetoric is little different than Obama's stimulus plan on highways as being an "investment".
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I don't know about in Hoboken but in my part of NJ THAT's what's known as a (kindly version) lame excuse.

, we're hated so we can't do anything.

IF they're gonna continue to talk the tough guy talk it's time they walk the tough guy walk. Here's a clue, Americans are also hated there and there's plenty of hard working American boots on the ground.

And the "we're poor victims so our behavior is always justified" card is old, worn, and due to be discarded.
You are nutty there is no way Israel can enter combat in any other arab country no matter the reason because if would be viewed as an attck on all Arabs, you really don't understand the region at all.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Do you admire their socialist health care too?

"Democracy is the road to socialism" - Karl Marx

What do you think of your democracy now? I find it ironic that a socialist like yourself advocated taxpayer funded programs to "democracies"

You cut off foreign aid to countries who do not behave correctly, whether they're named Iran or Israel.

Ha ha this is getting crazier by the post. i can only draw one conclusion that there are a bunch of raging anti semites in this thread. To call me a socialist because I support Israels right to exist is laughable in the extreme.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:34 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You are nutty there is no way Israel can enter combat in any other arab country no matter the reason because if would be viewed as an attck on all Arabs, you really don't understand the region at all.


YOU really don't understand that if war is justified you don't give a rat's ass what your enemies think!
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Ha ha this is getting crazier by the post. i can only draw one conclusion that there are a bunch of raging anti semites in this thread. To call me a socialist because I support Israels right to exist is laughable in the extreme.
OK Al Sharpton. Gotta love the race card!


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Old 05-25-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Previous Israeli governments had agreed to the US position on building settlements. Hamas' position is irrelevant here.

Since the current Israeli government is reneging on past agreements with the US, then the US should reduce their aid. The Israelis have effectively breached the contract they have made with America, and thus the US has no obligation to comply with said contract.

If Israel is so dead set on settlements, which are not only contrary to international law and to agreements that the US and Israel have made in the past, then let them do it with reduced support from the US. They could always ask China to sponsor them.

Israel used to have moral standing and moral authority in the world, but it has lost that standing and authority by electing its current government. The current Israeli government has no more moral authority than the current Turkish government and only slightly more than the current Lebanese government. This isn't your father's Israel we're talking about.
Hamas' position is very relevent that is why the Israelis continue to build, Hamas has not lived up to its agreement so why would we pressure Israel and not Hamas?

Moral authority? What are you talking about? This is a coalition government it is not Netenyahu running around on his own. He has to keep the coalition happy or the government will fall apart.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Labour backs Netanyahu coalition
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Ha ha this is getting crazier by the post. i can only draw one conclusion that there are a bunch of raging anti semites in this thread. To call me a socialist because I support Israels right to exist is laughable in the extreme.
Right!

Anytime Israel's misdeeds are called let's just cry ANTI-SEMITE! ANTI-SEMITE!

WHAT a load of crap!
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