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Indonesian agents perhaps not, but if cultivated Lebanese and Egyptian agents certainly would. Also Iran's leadership is radical, but its people are historically moderate. It is a place where imho the carrot approach with developmental aid through moderate, secular means could do wonders.
Lebanon is controlled by Syria I am sure they are just can't wait to help us. As I said Egypt can barely handle its internal problems much less help us.
Who cares if the Iranian people are moderate they are not developing the weapons or stopping their governement.
You just don't know what you are talking about Turkey has been a big problem for us in Iraq because of the Kurds. Turkey won't allow us in their air space. Egypt is up to its ears in fighting off the muslim brotherhood, Mubarick can't risk helping us.
The Philipines has a huge islamist problem. Idonesia's Islamic problem has been resolved due to more mundane internal political issues not because of anything we have done.
Indonesia's Islamic problem has been solve by a result of our inaction rather then our action. Once we stopped backing Suharto, who was complicit with radical Islam, it started to resolve itself the fact that we gave cautious support to secular parties including promises of foreign aid upon election also helped. As to the Philipinnes the have only a minor one on a few southern Islands nothing compared to anything in the Middle East, Central Asia, Columbia (with marxists) or even Indonesia during its hayday.
As to Egypt they have helped us with negotiations with Palestine as well as with Iraq. Turkey has its own problems, but one cannot blame them. Bush in his stupidity destabilized their southern boarder. When a country has problems keeping its own house in order, as Israel has had since its inception btw, it is not much use to its allies. That is just the way it is.
No all I am saying is rather then wasting your posts on talking about anti-semitism, you should instead focus on benefits the US gets out of its investments as that is more germane to the argument. Such arguments can and certainly can be made, but you are not making them. I am open to pretty much any idea, but you have to give me more concrete evidence. I have seen maybe 3-4 posts on this end compared to a score or so about anti-semetism as a logic for giving money to Israel.
Read the therad I have given a number of reasons why we need Israel. But by the same token I will not allow anti semitism, racism or any other type of bullying go uncommented on. Please show me anywhere that I even came remotley close to saying we should support Israel because of anti semitism. You can't because they simply don't exist.
The US clearly wants a toehold in the middle east and it can boss Israel around. No other middle eastern country is going to let the US do that to them. That's why we keep giving Israel money, the U.S. believes it's in their own best interest.
Perhaps you did not hear Ariel Sharon " We control America" I don't think anyone believes besides you that we can boss Israel around.
Facts:
Jews do not believe Jesus is God, Christians do.
Jews do not care for Jesus, in the Talmud (so I have read, I have not read the Talmud but parts of it) the say Jesus is burning in Hell. (Can anyone confirm that?)
Jews do not believe in Hell.
Jews do not believe Mary was a virgin.
There are many differences between Christianity and Judaism.
I can confirm that the jewish religion DOES NOT believe in the existence of hell.
Are you kidding there are tons of Middle Eastern countries that will let the US do that the big one is our NATO ally Turkey. Others are Baharan, Qatar, Kuwait (they owe us big time and believe me they know it) and to a lesser extent the UAE. Plenty of countries and they let us base troops there to boot something Israel would not let us do.
ok, I'm guessing you mean Bahrain and not Baharan, which is a city in Iran?
First off all, the countries you just named, other than Turkey, are all no bigger than Delaware, and we could probably fit all of the countries into the state of Virginina.
Secondly, Turkey is not really in the Middle East or in Europe, it's like the state of Maryland which isn't really north, but it's not south, either. Turkey is considered a mix of Europe and the Middle East. If you ask Europeans, they'll say it's too much like the Middle East and if you ask the Middle East, they'll say it's too much like Europe. It's the red-headed stepchild of Eurasia.
Finally, there's some common sense that should be applied here. Which country has more in common with us demographically? Israel. Which has more people in THIS country campaigning for the another country. Israel. What was the country that we gave to a culture who did not have a home, and who depend on us heavily for financial aid to stay afloat. Israel.
Now you're telling me that the U.S would have as much power and presence in the countries you've named as much or more than Israel? That's bs.
Lebanon is controlled by Syria I am sure they are just can't wait to help us. As I said Egypt can barely handle its internal problems much less help us.
Who cares if the Iranian people are moderate they are not developing the weapons or stopping their governement.
Lebanon is not controlled by Syria. There is a power struggle there as to who will control it. Chances are Syria, due to Rice and Bush's inept bungling. However it is still very much contested. (Anti-Syrian parties run the government)
As to Iran when will y'all neo-cons learn that wars create more problems then they solve. Only fools wage pre-emptive war Iran getting nuclear weapons is a problem, but threats will only make them more motivated to build them. Ahmadinajad is unpopular because his economic policies failed dismally. Iran is not a monolithic state like North Korea it is politically divided and expoliting that is a far better way to stop any weapons programs they may have then a spontanious Israeli attack that Iran is btw most certainly expecting and prepaired for. They are not idiots.
Indonesia's Islamic problem has been solve by a result of our inaction rather then our action. Once we stopped backing Suharto, who was complicit with radical Islam, it started to resolve itself the fact that we gave cautious support to secular parties including promises of foreign aid upon election also helped. As to the Philipinnes the have only a minor one on a few southern Islands nothing compared to anything in the Middle East, Central Asia, Columbia (with marxists) or even Indonesia during its hayday.
Suharto lost election in 1998. I am pretty sure there were ither factors in play.
Are you implying that inaction with Israel (cutting them off) would reduce the islamic problem in the mid east. On that you are right. If we turned Israel over to the neighboring countries they would be able to finish it off pretty quickly, and kick all the Palestinians out of their countries into Israel. That is ultimately what the terrorists want.
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