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Old 05-26-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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Its california and the voters don't count with the governamnt or the courts.That;s why they face the financial problems they do now.
Uh, actually the people get represented too well, which is why we're in this mess.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:09 PM
 
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Regardless of your personal feeling on the subject, the ruling was the only one acceptable. Anything else would have directly gone against the state Constitution.
The state constitution should be changed, and this ruling was correct in accordance with the current constitution, but the Cal SC should have qualified that. The Cal Constitution allows a super small amount of voters to get an initiative on the ballot and allows a 50% majority to make what constitutes a revision to the constitution, even though a revision according to CA law needs 60% of the vote to be approved. Prop 8 constitutes a revision seeing as the CA SC has ruled before that marriage is a fundamental right.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville (Southside)
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The better question would be who are YOU going to hate since you seem to love hating?
You have to hate first before I can hate you back.
The religious kooks started it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:20 PM
 
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California these days can't seem to do a single thing remotely sensible/understandable.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville (Southside)
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I think it was something like 52% to 48%. Hardly a "force" so yes, it doesn't mean much.

It just means it's a matter of time until the entire country has marriage equality. And there's nothing the bigots can do.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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The Lord works in mysterious ways....and every DOG has it's day!
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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It just means it's a matter of time until the entire country has marriage equality. And there's nothing the bigots can do.
Good luck with that in the Rocky Mountains and Southern US.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Who ever suggested denying a person visitation rights because they are a homosexual? If that is the case ANYWHERE (and I think it's more likely that you're simply twisting words), it's pure insanity and needs to be changed.

It has to do with legal relationships, not with the visitor's sexual orientation.
Right - it has to do with legal relationships, which, if people are not allowed do not exist for unmarried people. Married people have exclusive rights with regard to medical decisions, etc. that unmarried partners do not have. This is true for any type of partnership (i.e. living together) not sanctioned by marriage.

Here are a couple of very sad recent examples from both sides of the 'aisle':

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html

washingtonpost.com

Gay men and women live in a constant limbo, just like the unfortunate young woman cited above since clearly paperwork is not enough.

Too often, unless their partner's family member(s) agree with their decisions, they have no say with regard to things like medical treatments, burial, disposition of personal items and, yes, even time spent at the loved one's bedside. In many cases, these are people who have been estranged from their families for many years, who are then at the mercy of people who do not accept them and certainly don't accept their partners.
If you were in this position, who would you want making these decisions for you? The people who may have condemned you and put you out, or the person you made a life with?
Personally, I want the person who knows me and loves me most in the world making these decisions as I'm sure anyone else would.
Until our society comes up with some other way to grant everyone the same 'rights', marriage is it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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the sheeple were easily intimidated by the evildoings of the mormon church. they didn't get the opportunity to rationally think about what they were doing when they voted for the H8. If put on the ballot again, I predict that Prop H8 will be overturned once the voters have had a chance to digest the information free of religious homophobic propoganda. It is only a matter of time.
In other words you are saying the typical voter in Calif is an idiot.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:33 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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But in CA, gays are not discriminated against. Our laws give you the same rights as opposite sex couples. Therefore as a minority, you are not being denied anything anyone else is denied. Being denied the word marriage, doesnt violate your rights or deny you of anything except a word.

Blacks during the 60s and before were denied rights.
Do your research, gays in no states have the same equal rights as straigts, when your sexual orientations is excuse for discrimination or the giving of less than equal rights then it is not equal. I and many LGBT people deserve the right to marry the one they love, not the one you think is right. Religion decided prop 8 and that is church interferring in government processes. Can anyone name anyone else as a group that is also denied their equal rights other that gays?
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