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Some of you have your priorities twisted. First you liken this terminology war to slavery and segregation - WAYYY outta whack. Now you're telling me that ending a life is analogous to two gay people who want the right to call themselves "married" instead of taking advantage of what the state has given them. One has to do with ending a life; the other does not.
Get your priorities straight. Please.
Revelated, let me ask you a hypothetical question.
You have the choice of either banning abortion and making same-sex marriage legal OR banning same-sex marriage and keeping abortion legal. Which would you pick?
Revelated, let me ask you a hypothetical question.
You have the choice of either banning abortion and making same-sex marriage legal OR banning same-sex marriage and keeping abortion legal. Which would you pick?
Neither, because as I said, the government couldn't care less about the individual opinion. If I were the lawmaker, I would leave it to the voters. Whatever vote passes, that's it. There is no appeal, there is no redress. The people speak their mind and that's all that needs to matter; that's what I would do. I don't believe in multiple bites of the apple of an issue that quite frankly has no real implication compared to other more serious issues - like our economy, gas prices, H1N1, etc.
I already know what the problem is - the group of folks here don't prioritize issues. To them the only thing that matters is being able to call themselves married; they don't really have a valid reason for it, they just want the right to call themselves married. The point I've made is simple, and it's not a matter of personal opinion, it's also how the law decides whether to overturn such a decision. You need a basis for your argument. That "I want it" means nothing to the government. "I want to say I'm married" - so what? What implication does that have besides your own selfish desire (which BTW means nothing to the government)? None.
Until the day comes that the people arguing for this can come up with a valid reason why they should have it, the people will continue to vote against it. That is why it's frivolous to keep pushing. Whining without a justification is a waste of everyone's time. That's the bonafide definition of the word "frivolous".
You're effectively admitting that it's a matter of terminology. You want to say "We're married!!" Guess what? You don't have the right. Nor should you.
You DO, however, have the right to claim the fact that you are in a civil union and/or domestic partnership with your significant other who happens to be the same gender as you. My point: if the civil union and/or domestic partnership affords you the same rights and privileges as marriage does for heterosexuals, what's the problem? I don't want to hear "but it doesn't!!!" Because I debunked that earlier. I don't want to hear "but it doesn't in my state!!!" That's debunked by your choice to move. I don't want to hear any excuses. I'm waiting for someone, homosexual or otherwise to answer the simple question with a simple, direct answer and not a smartass one.
If the civil union and/or domestic partnership affords you the same rights and privileges as marriage does for heterosexuals, what's the problem?
If you cannot point to at least one factor, your arguments hold no basis and you won't get anywhere.
If a state passed a law that I cannot have a convertible anymore, guess what? I'd move to a state that does. Not yell and whine that I cannot take advantage of this optional thing in my life (and yes, civil union/domestic partnership/marriage is an option, not a right). People have been doing it for years.
Do you think that homosexuality is new? It isn't. It's been around for decades. So why now all of a sudden people want to try and change marriage to suit their selfish needs is quite frankly beyond me. It'd be like rewriting the Declaration of Independence because we all of a sudden want to enslave illegal immigrants. I swear, some people just don't get it.
Such lawsuits ARE frivolous, because your voter peers already ruled against it; a judge upheld it. LET. IT. GO.
Heterosexuals are awarded 1149 rights and privileges that are not available in either domestic partnerships or civil unions. Neither one includes inheritance rights that are included in het marriage. If a het man dies and leaves everything to his wife, she will not be taxed for everything. If a gay man or lesbian dies, their partner will pay high taxes and most likely lose the property that is inherited. There are many more of the marriage rights that are not awarded to gays or lesbians in domestic partnerships or civil unions or gay marriage. I do know, I am both married to my partner of 30 years and we did the domestic partnership route. They are not equal.
Now you're telling me that ending a life is analogous to two gay people who want the right to call themselves "married" instead of taking advantage of what the state has given them. One has to do with ending a life; the other does not.
Get your priorities straight. Please.
It's not about priorities. It's about having an honest argument. You said that once the courts decide something, it should be over. Do you really mean that, or do you only mean it when it applies to the banning of same-sex marriage?
In the states where same-sex marriage is now legal, there are many who would like to make it illegal again. Would you also tell them that it's over and that they need to give it up?
Until the day comes that the people arguing for this can come up with a valid reason why they should have it, the people will continue to vote against it. That is why it's frivolous to keep pushing. Whining without a justification is a waste of everyone's time. That's the bonafide definition of the word "frivolous".
They have their valid reasons; you just don't agree with them. Many others do. It's not "frivolous" to keep pushing if they believe what they're doing is right.
In California, we've rejected parental notification for abortions three times, yet the same crowd continues to put it on the ballot. Would you advise them to give up and stop wasting everyone's time?
Sorry you don't like our system of government, but that's the way it is. Again, it's not over just because you want it to be over.
Revelated, let me ask you a hypothetical question.
You have the choice of either banning abortion and making same-sex marriage legal OR banning same-sex marriage and keeping abortion legal. Which would you pick?
Loaded question so you can come back with a ridiculous post.
Heterosexuals are awarded 1149 rights and privileges that are not available in either domestic partnerships or civil unions. Neither one includes inheritance rights that are included in het marriage. If a het man dies and leaves everything to his wife, she will not be taxed for everything. If a gay man or lesbian dies, their partner will pay high taxes and most likely lose the property that is inherited. There are many more of the marriage rights that are not awarded to gays or lesbians in domestic partnerships or civil unions or gay marriage. I do know, I am both married to my partner of 30 years and we did the domestic partnership route. They are not equal.
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.”
Why not? If you're gonna throw out a snappy one liner I'd like to determine how bigoted you are so I can determine whether to drop you on the ooold ignore list.
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