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It's the aggregate of Hitchens (a neo-con concerning foreign affairs) and Ventura.
Have yet to see someone actually get waterboarded and not call it torture. When you find someone, lemme know!
Would you like to grace us with more hypothetical scenarios like "what if your son/daughter/mom/aunt/uncle/dad was in imminent danger and the terrorist had knowledge, blah blah blah"
So now it's okay to ship people off to secret camps. You just need a (D) by your name.
Quote:
Mr. SCHEUER. Mr. Chairman, before my time starts, I would like
to note—I am sure it was a mistake, but the way your opening remarks
were phrased, your quotations from me from 60 Minutes, I
was referring to the Clinton administration, not to the Bush administration.
I am sure it was a juxtaposition somehow, but I
would like to have that corrected, sir.
Mr. DELAHUNT. Of course.
Mr. SCHEUER. All right. The CIA’s Rendition Program began in
late summer, 1995. I authored it and then ran and managed it
against al-Qaeda leaders and other Sunni Islamists from August,
1995, until June, 1999.
If there are those in this Congress, in the media or in this country
or in Europe who believe that we would be safer if Khalid
Shaykh Muhammed, Abu Zubaydah, Mr. Hambali, Ibn Shaykh al-
Libi, Khalid bid Attash and several other senior al-Qaeda leaders
were still free and on the street, then the educational systems and
the reservoirs of common sense on both sides of the Atlantic are in
a much more dilapidated shape than I thought.
Under President Bush, the rendered al-Qaeda fighters held in
U.S. custody have been treated according to guidelines that were
crafted by U.S. Government lawyers, approved by the executive
branch and briefed to and permitted by at least the four senior
members of the two congressional intelligence oversight committees.
Sixth, finally, I will close by saying that mistakes may well have
been made during my tenure as the chief of CIA’s bin Laden’s operations;
and if they were, they are my responsibility. Intelligence information
is not the equivalent of courtroom quality evidence, and
it never will be. But I will again stress that no rendition target was
ever approved or captured without a written brief composed of intelligence
information that persuaded competent U.S. Government
legal authorities. If mistakes were made, I can only say that that
is tough, but war is a tough and confusing business and a well-supported
chance to take action and protect Americans should always
trump other considerations, especially pedantic worries about
whether or not the intelligence data is airtight.
Hey, as long as you give enough face time to minority groups and other beneficiaries of social welfare programs, you're good to go with whatever WAR policy you'd like
Jesus christ, you've pimping this line long enough. I can go any office of Dewey, Cheetham & Howe and get some lawyer to write a legal memorandum justifying just about anything and that is in essence what the White House did.
Waterboard is illegal, and immoral by any number of treaties, conventions and prevailing statutes.
You mean like Obama is pretending to do?
And yes, waterboarding violates some treaties and conventions, (not US law), those treaties and conventions do not afford rights to terrorists, the Geneva Convention deems the terrorists as not protected, and the treaties against torture have not been ratified by the US..
No, a politician grandstands as to whats popular, I'm just posting whats legal. Disliking the law does not change the law, proclaiming that Waterboarding = torture does not make it so.
If your against waterboarding, look at the loopholes jumped through, and then ask the DEMOCRATS to close the loopholes. Democrats are the only ones who can change the law at the moment.
Based on what Hitchens said (a foreign policy neo-con who has repeatedly said he supported waterboarding BEFORE he underwent it) concerning trauma that occurred for months after the experience, after only about 15-30 seconds of it, it's safe to say it's torture.
So far it's a perfect record, 3-0, for any high profile people who say it's torture. 2 are on the record for saying it wasn't or were indifferent about it before the experiment and suddenly are saying it's torture. JAGs have written a letter stating it is so. Basically, everyone but armchair internet warriors and CIA egomaniacs have stated it's torture.
Based on what Hitchens said (a foreign policy neo-con who has repeatedly said he supported waterboarding BEFORE he underwent it) concerning trauma that occurred for months after the experience, after only about 15-30 seconds of it, it's safe to say it's torture.
So far it's a perfect record, 3-0, for any high profile people who say it's torture. 2 are on the record for saying it wasn't or were indifferent about it before the experiment and suddenly are saying it's torture. JAGs have written a letter stating it is so. Basically, everyone but armchair internet warriors and CIA egomaniacs have stated it's torture.
It would be safe to say that Hitchens believes its torture. But again, individuals beliefs do not govern the law.. 300,000,000 americans can proclaim it torture, but if the letter of the law isnt changed, the letter of the law says otherwise.
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