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Actually, in California before Prop 8, that right WAS there. Same-sex marriage was in place for five months before they voted to take it away. And, in that five months, thousands of same sex couples DID marry. And what happens to those marriages? Are they made invalid by passage of that proposition? Are they still legally recognized by the state? After all, they were legal at the time they happened.
If you read the rest of my posts, it's very obvious that I'm not talking about anything that happened over the course of five short months, I am talking about the way society has treated homosexuals over the course of hundreds of years now. If there is blame to go around, it should be distributed far and wide, and that includes in the direction of MANY people who have called themselves liberal leaders. Again, the current President of the United States has stated that marriage is a union between one man and one woman, and nothing else. Not surprisingly, he continues to get a pass for saying the same thing that gets other people a verbal or written beatdown. This very issue proves that in the eyes of liberals President Obama can do no wrong and conservatives can do no right.
People just dont seem to realize that when you vote to take away rights from a certain group of people, you are voting to take away rights from everyone including yourself.
IF SOMETHING DOES NOT PHYSICALLY HARM YOU OR YOUR PROPERTY THEN IT IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE AND YOU LET OTHERS LIVE THEIRS.
I will read and respond to any thread that I want. I think I've made some very good and valid points here, and I am not alone in that thought. I have gotten some nice feedback from the people who disagree with me the most. That makes me very happy, because it reminds me that even when people like you bring down the quality of this forum, there are still plenty of good people who can agree to disagree without having to use words like "stupidity" or question the education of those who disagree.
I bring down the quality of the forum? Sorry, but if I see something someone says as stupid, I say so. And that remark was not directed at you - it was just pointing out why I continue to read and post on topics such as this. That IS what your post was asking, wasn't it? And I never said you shouldn't or couldn't read or reply to any thread or post that got your attention. I was just wondering why, if you didn't want to read any more on the topic, you opened the thread. Yes, I did notice the back and forth between you and a couple of others - you will note that I didn't jump into the middle of those conversations. That was because you were being respectful. And they were giving pretty good rebuttals and didn't need mine.
I bring down the quality of the forum? Sorry, but if I see something someone says as stupid, I say so. And that remark was not directed at you - it was just pointing out why I continue to read and post on topics such as this. That IS what your post was asking, wasn't it? And I never said you shouldn't or couldn't read or reply to any thread or post that got your attention. I was just wondering why, if you didn't want to read any more on the topic, you opened the thread. Yes, I did notice the back and forth between you and a couple of others - you will note that I didn't jump into the middle of those conversations. That was because you were being respectful. And they were giving pretty good rebuttals and didn't need mine.
Well I was under the impression that your remarks were directed at me. If I read that wrong, then I owe you an apology. The thread overall has been quite a change of pace, with people mostly being very nice to each other. I hope it goes on that way even though I'll have to excuse myself from it soon.
Again, if I took your post the wrong way, I'm sorry.
Originally Posted by MsMcQ LV Actually, in California before Prop 8, that right WAS there. Same-sex marriage was in place for five months before they voted to take it away. And, in that five months, thousands of same sex couples DID marry. And what happens to those marriages? Are they made invalid by passage of that proposition? Are they still legally recognized by the state? After all, they were legal at the time they happened.
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Originally Posted by BringTheContent
If you read the rest of my posts, it's very obvious that I'm not talking about anything that happened over the course of five short months, I am talking about the way society has treated homosexuals over the course of hundreds of years now. If there is blame to go around, it should be distributed far and wide, and that includes in the direction of MANY people who have called themselves liberal leaders. Again, the current President of the United States has stated that marriage is a union between one man and one woman, and nothing else. Not surprisingly, he continues to get a pass for saying the same thing that gets other people a verbal or written beatdown. This very issue proves that in the eyes of liberals President Obama can do no wrong and conservatives can do no right.
The post I was replying to was about Prop 8. I was just pointing out that, at the time it passed, that right was there in California and that vote took it away. As far as Obama, did you never stop to think that even gays might have other things on their minds and might consider those other things to be a bit more important than their right to marry? Things such as the economy or health care or the war?
Oh, and I have read all of your posts. And yes, I do agree that not all of the 'blame' for the way gays and lesbians are treated can be laid at the feet of any one segment of the population or any one political party. I've seen enough in my nearly six decades of life that I know a politician is a politician is a politician and they will always say whatever they think their audience wants to hear - and then go ahead and do whatever THEY think is 'best'.
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People just dont seem to realize that when you vote to take away rights from a certain group of people, you are voting to take away rights from everyone including yourself.
IF SOMETHING DOES NOT PHYSICALLY HARM YOU OR YOUR PROPERTY THEN IT IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE AND YOU LET OTHERS LIVE THEIRS.
As far as Obama, did you never stop to think that even gays might have other things on their minds and might consider those other things to be a bit more important than their right to marry?
Based on what I see when I visit this forum? I'm going to have to say no. Marriage is clearly the hot-button issue for gays here, and not just for gays, but it is very obviously the top priority. And I don't blame them for that regardless of how I feel about the issue. This IS their issue right now.
You asked, and I answered.
If conservatives are being criticised, sometimes very harshly, for their views on marriage; then President Obama should be too. He's getting a big pass on this one.
And this conservative has said repeatedly that if they believe in their right to marry, they should peacefully organize and make themselves heard. I fully support their right to do that and would not take kindly to anyone who tries to stop them... And again, my personal feelings on the issue are irrelevant. The president never came through for them to that extent.
lets put gun rights up for a vote!
I wonder how the fundamentalists would feel about the vote of the majority taking their guns away???
they couldn't claim it was the government...
it was the will of the people... they've said they don't want guns in the hands of the general public for whatever reason.. so lets ammend the constitution....
lets put gun rights up for a vote!
I wonder how the fundamentalists would feel about the vote of the majority taking their guns away???
they couldn't claim it was the government...
it was the will of the people... they've said they don't want guns in the hands of the general public for whatever reason.. so lets ammend the constitution....
OK.
Let's leave everything up to the will of the people.
Sounds like a great idea for a country.
I'm actually with you on this.
The only thing we'll leave off the table is religion, a personal issue that people can decide for themselves. Everything else is open to the power of the people. Let's do it! And I'm serious, too.
Do things that way and we might end up with NO marriage at all. Might not be the worst thing in the world, either.
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