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Old 05-30-2009, 09:33 AM
 
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A friend told me the other day about a friend's mother living in Canada. She was diagnosed with cancer and it took her four months to get to see an oncologist! People can die in that short time from cancer.
Yep, I have several friends that live there. None of them like the system and often joke of its success. One of my friends son was diagnosed as well, took 6 months to get him into surgery to which they told them that it was too late, the cancer had progressed too far.

My grandmother here in the states was diagnosed with cancer, 3 days later she was in a major medical institution to which they were applying the latest injection treatment drugs.

I don't think people realize the problems of turning the reigns over to the government. Then again, I think many don't care, as long as someone else is paying, its all good to them.
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:37 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Yep, I have several friends that live there. None of them like the system and often joke of its success. One of my friends son was diagnosed as well, took 6 months to get him into surgery to which they told them that it was too late, the cancer had progressed too far.

My grandmother here in the states was diagnosed with cancer, 3 days later she was in a major medical institution to which they were applying the latest injection treatment drugs.

I don't think people realize the problems of turning the reigns over to the government. Then again, I think many don't care, as long as someone else is paying, its all good to them.
I have relatives in Canada who love the Health System there. My Aunt had Cervical Cancer and was treated straight away in Canada. She is completely cured.
If you want to quote a friend who was diagnosed with cancer and given the latest drugs then also quote the millions who cannot afford cancer tratment and of whom, many die, because of the terrible Elitist health system in America
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Katiana,

Maybe you would change your mind if you came down with a chronic or catastrophic illness and had *stealth* care. Women in England are no longer given treatment for breast cancer because it is too expensive. Cancer is becomming a death sentence once again!

* IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Stealth Care (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=321064867290632 - broken link)


Stealth Care

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:20 PM PT
Spending: The stimulus provides for the creation of a federal health care bureaucracy not unlike Hillarycare. Decisions that should be made by doctors and patients will belong to bureaucrats deciding cost-effectiveness.
Oh, give me a break! First of all, your link wasn't even about breast cancer, it was about macular degeneration. Secondly, such decisions are made by insurances in the US all the time. I work in this area, and have seen my share of high school dropouts (at least they sound like that over the phone) overruling the decisions of the doctors in my practice.

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Been there, provided my own private insurance when the workplace offered a plan that was wasteful spending. Called up an insurance agent, told them I wanted to select and tailor my plan for expense. Had a 3 hour meeting with them going over the coverage removing all the bloated wasteful portions and tailored each specific part of the plan to fit my wife and I's life style.
And just you wait until you/your spouse comes down with some disease you never envisioned happening to you b/c of your so-called healthy lifestyle. I hope you have a lot of savings, and no need to use them for anything else, like retirement or college tuition.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I know a women that will quit a job knowing she can get more gov help if shes not working.

She just started working again after not working for 8 mths.
Maybe she found out that welfare wasn't such a cushy way to live.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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We do pay for all our health insurance and it ain't cheap. I would much rather continue this option than go with universal stealth care. I want medical services when I need them, not when the government thinks I need them. I would prefer not having a chronic illness, but I can't change my genes.
Very good and honest post.

Thank you.

But remember, there are some who believes that the government knows better than you do - and that the government should be able to control your life - including who should live, and who should die.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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A friend told me the other day about a friend's mother living in Canada. She was diagnosed with cancer and it took her four months to get to see an oncologist! People can die in that short time from cancer.
We have several close friends from Canada who came to the United States for their health care because of the waiting times. While not cancer, one had an issue with their Heart and another with a hip fracture (that required a hip replacement). Our friend with the hip issue was told it would be over a year (and maybe more) to get the new hip. The Heart patient was going to have to wait over 6 months for their heart surgery.

They came to Arizona and both had their necessary surgeries within a week of arrivals - and are doing just fine now.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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We have several close friends from Canada who came to the United States for their health care because of the waiting times. While not cancer, one had an issue with their Heart and another with a hip fracture (that required a hip replacement). Our friend with the hip issue was told it would be over a year (and maybe more) to get the new hip. The Heart patient was going to have to wait over 6 months for their heart surgery.

They came to Arizona and both had their necessary surgeries within a week of arrivals - and are doing just fine now.
Canada has a lower mortality rate and higher life expectancy than the US. There are likely myriad reasons for this, but Canadians are not dropping like flies due to their healthcare system.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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Very good and honest post.

Thank you.

But remember, there are some who believes that the government knows better than you do - and that the government should be able to control your life - including who should live, and who should die.


Yes, because that's what we observe in the rest of the industrialized world.

I heard that in Europe, waiting rooms have two doors: one labelled "live," and another "die." A government agent (satan's little helper) tosses a coin to determine which door is used.
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Old 05-30-2009, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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We do pay for all our health insurance and it ain't cheap. I would much rather continue this option than go with universal stealth care. I want medical services when I need them, not when the government thinks I need them. I would prefer not having a chronic illness, but I can't change my genes.
You have "universal stealth care" now. Just get sick and you will find out just what your health ins. does and doesn't cover; what they require a prior auth for (HS drop-out decides if Dr. can order test), etc. No standards, each policy is different.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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I love all these healthy people that think what is best for ill people. I live with a chronic progressive and devastating disease. I have MS, I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT IN CONTROL OF MY CARE period!

I have 24 hours when an attack starts to get in to see my neurologist, if I do not get in and get steroid treatments ASAP I can be left permanently disabled. I know several others with MS that live under the Canadian system. It takes 2 weeks for them to be able to see any specialist. One acquaintance that had lived in England until recently was utterly discusted when she was told that she could not have the MS treatment she needed due to the cost to the government..... hmmmm the other 3 treatments did not work for her, leaving this as the only option. Guess why she is living in America now? ohh the evil insurance companies decided that they would only charge her 75.00 per month for the 2500 per month treatment the English government decided they could not afford for her.

Yes our Health care system is in trouble, but adding the weight of the government on top of the mess is only going to make a bigger mess. People like me who have incurable diseases will become nothing but numbers and a cost to the government, who will ultimately decide our fate under a government run health care system, I am whole heartedly opposed to.
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