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the rich pay most of the taxes already. You would know this if you were not so busy proclaiming them evil and greedy for not picking up ALL of your tab. Seriously, this is like talking to a bunch of children who have no concept of responsibility. The very fact that you call individual freedom BS points out the arrogance of your position and the spoiled manner of your situation. It is sicking to see such irresponsible arrogance.
A classic example of the half-truths and outright lies of the 'I've got mine - don't take one red cent from me' group...
I NEVER said one thing about anyone picking up my tab - for anything - I live quite comfortably and have no health insurance problems at all - I have very good care as a matter of fact - much above average...
I am one of the 'winners' in the current system.
However, I can see that the system is broken for the majority of Americans, and that concerns me... a great deal... and I think it is grossly unfair to continue as it is - where those who can afford it get care and live longer - and those who cannot die young...
You and I will NEVER see eye to eye on this subject...
And you are far far far more arrogant than I am... reread some of the absolutely greedy and heartless things you have posted in this thread about denying care to those in need... You are the epitome of irresponsible arrogance.
Responsibility is relative. Paying for ones health care with prudent planning and intelligent interest can alleviate much of the problems associated with it. Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. Responsibility is the issue and it translates to all areas. The fact that people think having that cool I-pod or "sweet" ride is more important than budgeting for the possibility of a medical expense is nothing more than irresponsible behavior by children who were never taught to own up to their own choices.
What world do you live in.... Hans Christian Andersons?
Do you think everyone has ipods. Or they buy big fast cars instead of health cover, or they drink their millions away? NO they just don't earn enough to pay the mortgage, put their kids through school, pay utilities and try to feed their family. Wouldn't it be soo perfect if everyone had the same... You must love communism it has your ideals.
Many hard working Americans CANNOT not will not...CANNOT afford health care premiums. Not because they are lazy but because they do jobs that you wouldn't even consider doing.
You must believe in the "let them eat cake" philosophy.
A classic example of the half-truths and outright lies of the 'I've got mine - don't take one red cent from me' group...
I NEVER said one thing about anyone picking up my tab - for anything - I live quite comfortably and have no health insurance problems at all - I have very good care as a matter of fact - much above average...
I am one of the 'winners' in the current system.
However, I can see that the system is broken for the majority of Americans, and that concerns me... a great deal... and I think it is grossly unfair to continue as it is - where those who can afford it get care and live longer - and those who cannot die young...
You and I will NEVER see eye to eye on this subject...
And you are far far far more arrogant than I am... reread some of the absolutely greedy and heartless things you have posted in this thread about denying care to those in need... You are the epitome of irresponsible arrogance.
I am in your position. I could quite easily pull up the drawbridge and say that people without healthcare have none through their own fault. I know differntly though. I would pay more tax to help my American cousins. I have been welcomed here with open arms by everyone. To see these self rightous arrogant people on here turns my stomach. That wasn't how my Mum and Dad brought me up and they would be ashamed of me if a had the arrogant opinions shown by some of the posters on here.
The middle class of America are going to be the ones to suffer under your health system They will not get health care with their jobs and they will not be able to afford the hugh premiums that the insurance companies will put on their healthcare, siting Obama as the cause.....get real
Yes, like I am suffering now. Good point, yes, all of the responsible people who budget these expenses are so hurting right now. You make predictions like climate science. All the observations go against your claims, but you will surely keep fixing the data to fit your hypothesis! Keep at it, there are a lot of stupid people out there, I am sure you can get them to buy into your claims!
Well, Nomander, integrity, hard work and taking full responsibility for oneself and family are just no longer values for many here. Putting a value on these will only engeander hostility to those who have shunned them and view themselves as better than. And entitled...to your money. Socialism, the buzzword of the day. Spread that wealth around, tax those suckers who have made a successful life for themselves! Take from the rich, give to the poor. Robin Hoodism, sounds great doesn't it? Ahhhh, empathy. Til the reality hits....that our government has sold us out and down river to drown in a financial debt tsunami we may never climb out from under. We are destined for third worldism, but hey, we won't have to pay for healthcare, wheeeeeeee....
Sad isn't it? Its like they are all a bunch of children who haven't been taught any lessons. They demand everything be handed to them. They will learn it, but because they are arrogant, they will learn it the hard way. I don't wish it, but they are working to a world of misery that they will have to spend years of extreme hardship just to repair. For some kids, you can't tell them, you just have to let stupid run its course. /sigh
Why would anyone favor entitlements for the masses?
I have to conclude then that you are against:
Social Security
Medicare
Unemployment Insurance
Homeless shelters (govt sponsored)
Meals on Wheels (govt sponsored)
School lunch subsidy program
Food Stamps
All forms of welfare
pretty much the entire 'New Deal' plus every entitlement added since then...
I suggest that you read David Copperfield...
Pure capitalism is a very brutal system - which is what you are very close to if you remove all the 'entitlements' that exist today...
Yes, like I am suffering now. Good point, yes, all of the responsible people who budget these expenses are so hurting right now. You make predictions like climate science. All the observations go against your claims, but you will surely keep fixing the data to fit your hypothesis! Keep at it, there are a lot of stupid people out there, I am sure you can get them to buy into your claims!
What are you babbling about?
I dont make claims about global warming etc. i personally think it is cyclic and goes around and around.
Where does being responsible get you when your salary is less than your necessary bills.
Yes we are in agreement that there are a lot of stupid people out there..i'm answering one right now.
Stop quoting other peoples fantasies and when you have experienced a UHC then you can criticise it.
I didn't miss it. I lost a bet, though. My girlfriend said you'd cite the Federalist Papers again, in an argument on healthcare. I said, "No way. He wouldn't..."
The fact that neither of you can recognize this as a rights issue merely means you have sold your freedom down the road.
When madison said:
Quote:
Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.
He was talking about politicians selling this line to you and your girlfriend. That they could capitalize on your self interest as a means to inflict majority views on the minority.
That is not individual thinkers, it is merely appealing to the greed of peoples desires. Tell them what they want to hear, feed it and they will hang their own child to achieve it. I pity you and your girlfriend as you have become nothing more than money grabbers chasing after a cart that is leaking money. Such a shame.
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