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Old 05-31-2009, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I guess you also feel that those poor people need help buying cars and homes as well when they so stupidly sign up for that 50k car at 21% interest and buy that big expensive house on multiple loans. Sure... it isn't the irresponsible nature of the people, its the big evil companies taking advantage. While I do not agree with them doing that, one can not discount the irresponsible and expect the responsible to pay for them.
That's a pretty big leap, bub! When did I (or anyone else) say anything like that?
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:07 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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why? If your nose is removed in an accident, but in terms of pure medical issue, you are able to function and live without danger to your health, why should we have to pay for you to look better?
LOL, ok Nomander whatever you say. I wonder what you would say if your nose were removed in an accident, & you were w/out insurance, do you think you'd be satisfied living w/out a nose & just have 2 nasal cavities? Me thinks you would not. Good laugh though.
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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Mediocre? I have excellent insurance. It is exactly as I want it to be. I pay for what I choose to and they pay the rest. I can go anywhere to get treatment, I have NO waits and complete freedom of choice. In your system though, I will be told like the good little collective moron I am told to be. No thanks.

I put money aside because I am responsible. I have lived at the bottom, worked my way up. I saved money when I was making barely enough to live. People do not save money because they are too busy blowing it on crap they think they need. They are spoiled and obsessed with chasing the popular and idiotic. You can quote me that special case, but that is an exception, not the rule. The majority of those having problems are having them of their own choices, their own decisions and you want to absolve them of their responsibility with extreme stories about poor billy being born with a special disease and a rare requirement in a family of hard knocks. It is a sucker story meant to hide the fact that it isn't the common story.

Pay for it yourself and keep your hands out of my money. You didn't earn it, it is not yours and contrary to idiotic popular belief, it is none of your damn business.
You rock!

Everyone unlike you sucks.


Your personal history is absolutely meaningless in the scope of the healthcare system. Get over yourself.
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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Mediocre? I have excellent insurance. It is exactly as I want it to be. I pay for what I choose to and they pay the rest. I can go anywhere to get treatment, I have NO waits and complete freedom of choice. In your system though, I will be told like the good little collective moron I am told to be. No thanks.

I put money aside because I am responsible. I have lived at the bottom, worked my way up. I saved money when I was making barely enough to live. People do not save money because they are too busy blowing it on crap they think they need. They are spoiled and obsessed with chasing the popular and idiotic. You can quote me that special case, but that is an exception, not the rule. The majority of those having problems are having them of their own choices, their own decisions and you want to absolve them of their responsibility with extreme stories about poor billy being born with a special disease and a rare requirement in a family of hard knocks. It is a sucker story meant to hide the fact that it isn't the common story.

Pay for it yourself and keep your hands out of my money. You didn't earn it, it is not yours and contrary to idiotic popular belief, it is none of your damn business.
It's NOT your money if the government sees fit to tax it... sorry - but that's the way it goes...

And if you are currently on Social Security, and you retired over 10 years ago - you are effectively on welfare - you paid far less into the system than you are taking out... Care to redress that inequality???? I think not...

I am so sick and tired of greedy 'I've got mine - everyone else can drop dead' types like yourself..
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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why? If your nose is removed in an accident, but in terms of pure medical issue, you are able to function and live without danger to your health, why should we have to pay for you to look better? This is exactly why this subjective garbage needs to be left to the individual to pay for and decide.
<shudder> Man, that is cold-blooded and heartless. I pity you. I know you don't want it or care about it, but there it is. I hope your money warms your soul when all others leave you, but I honestly doubt it will.

Reconstructive surgery is not all about looks. Even when it is mostly about looks, it is also about the mind, which, in case you have forgotten, is part of the whole person.
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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why? If your nose is removed in an accident, but in terms of pure medical issue, you are able to function and live without danger to your health, why should we have to pay for you to look better? This is exactly why this subjective garbage needs to be left to the individual to pay for and decide.
i do believe you are serious. I think your attitude is awful.
I had a girlfriend who went through her windshield because a car hit her and her face was cut to ribbons. In your world it would be no problem as it isn't going to kill her and if she can't afford surgery..tough!
Ever heard of Stigma. Her face was like a horror film and her life would have been hell. As it was she had Cosmetic facial surgery performed by one of the TOP cosmetic urgeons in the UK. Her face looks quite normal again. She had no money as she was a trainee and she would be badly scarred if using your system. Love to see how you would feel if it was someone close to you.

We will get it all though and when the system gets inundated with useless demands for issues like these, the bureaucrats will step in and decide for us. So, rather than you being able to pay for and decide on the operation for vanity, they will and it won't stop there. Those decisions will then flood over to issues where health will be an issue, but because of some stupid politicians last word on the spending, you will get the absolute minimum acceptable to meet their definition of "safe or healthy".
You have absolutely NO IDEA of how a UHC is run. The Politicians do NOT decide on your healthcare but your health professionals do. Unlike the USA where the Insurance companies decide on what treatment yo get or don't get. If your insurance company is not contracted to the Hopspital you want to use..the Hospital will not admit you unless you have money up front. In the UK under a UHC you can be refered to whatever hospital you want or refered to whatevr Doctor you want to see.

Not all will though. This again won't affect the rich and in power nor will it effect the poor. They will go on living the same as they always have, but it will be the middle class that will be obliterated by this. That's the plan though, you can't have control if you have a middle class. Get rid of them and you have those with money to which you can cater to and the poor to lead on like little puppets with their hands out.
The middle class of America are going to be the ones to suffer under your health system They will not get health care with their jobs and they will not be able to afford the hugh premiums that the insurance companies will put on their healthcare, siting Obama as the cause.....get real

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Old 05-31-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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If your nose is removed in an accident, but in terms of pure medical issue, you are able to function and live without danger to your health, why should we have to pay for you to look better? This is exactly why this subjective garbage needs to be left to the individual to pay for and decide.
i do believe you are serious. I think your attitude is awful.
I had a girlfriend who went through her windshield because a car hit her and her face was cut to ribbons. In your world it would be no problem as it isn't going to kill her and if she can't afford surgery..tough!
Ever heard of Stigma. Her face was like a horror film and her life would have been hell. As it was she had Cosmetic facial surgery performed by one of the TOP cosmetic urgeons in the UK. Her face looks quite normal again. She had no money as she was a trainee and she would be badly scarred if using your system. Love to see how you would feel if it was someone close to you.

We will get it all though and when the system gets inundated with useless demands for issues like these, the bureaucrats will step in and decide for us. So, rather than you being able to pay for and decide on the operation for vanity, they will and it won't stop there. Those decisions will then flood over to issues where health will be an issue, but because of some stupid politicians last word on the spending, you will get the absolute minimum acceptable to meet their definition of "safe or healthy".

Not all will though. This again won't affect the rich and in power nor will it effect the poor. They will go on living the same as they always have, but it will be the middle class that will be obliterated by this. That's the plan though, you can't have control if you have a middle class. Get rid of them and you have those with money to which you can cater to and the poor to lead on like little puppets with their hands out.
I'll say one thing for the anti-Obama crowd. As expressed above, some of you are very good storytellers. The writing is fictional, which is why few people "support" it, but it's very interesting nontheless.
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:41 PM
 
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Mediocre? I have excellent insurance. It is exactly as I want it to be. I pay for what I choose to and they pay the rest. I can go anywhere to get treatment, I have NO waits and complete freedom of choice. In your system though, I will be told like the good little collective moron I am told to be. No thanks.

I put money aside because I am responsible. I have lived at the bottom, worked my way up. I saved money when I was making barely enough to live. People do not save money because they are too busy blowing it on crap they think they need. They are spoiled and obsessed with chasing the popular and idiotic. You can quote me that special case, but that is an exception, not the rule. The majority of those having problems are having them of their own choices, their own decisions and you want to absolve them of their responsibility with extreme stories about poor billy being born with a special disease and a rare requirement in a family of hard knocks. It is a sucker story meant to hide the fact that it isn't the common story.

Pay for it yourself and keep your hands out of my money. You didn't earn it, it is not yours and contrary to idiotic popular belief, it is none of your damn business.


Well, Nomander, integrity, hard work and taking full responsibility for oneself and family are just no longer values for many here. Putting a value on these will only engeander hostility to those who have shunned them and view themselves as better than. And entitled...to your money. Socialism, the buzzword of the day. Spread that wealth around, tax those suckers who have made a successful life for themselves! Take from the rich, give to the poor. Robin Hoodism, sounds great doesn't it? Ahhhh, empathy. Til the reality hits....that our government has sold us out and down river to drown in a financial debt tsunami we may never climb out from under. We are destined for third worldism, but hey, we won't have to pay for healthcare, wheeeeeeee....
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:42 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I'll say one thing for the anti-Obama crowd. As expressed above, some of you are very good storytellers. The writing is fictional, which is why few people "support" it, but it's very interesting nontheless.
A voice of Sanity....well said!
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Well, Nomander, integrity, hard work and taking full responsibility for oneself and family are just no longer values for many here. Putting a value on these will only engeander hostility to those who have shunned them and view themselves as better than. And entitled...to your money. Socialism, the buzzword of the day. Spread that wealth around, tax those suckers who have made a successful life for themselves! Take from the rich, give to the poor. Robin Hoodism, sounds great doesn't it? Ahhhh, empathy. Til the reality hits....that our government has sold us out and down river to drown in a financial debt tsunami we may never climb out from under. We are destined for third worldism, but hey, we won't have to pay for healthcare, wheeeeeeee....
I agree that your Govt did sell you out and down the river. The problem is that some Americans are quite comfortable in a canoe without a paddle and under the guidance of corrupt big corporations. Have YOU ever experienced a UHC in action? You cannot give a opinion on something you know nothing about but facts never seem to get in the way of the anti UHC brigade.
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