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Old 05-29-2009, 04:35 AM
 
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Everyone of us knows of the abuse of Welfare. Generation after generation on the "card". Have another baby to get more money. Sneak over the border and you will be covered. I personally have turned people in and they were never even contacted! This IS one of the main reasons we are in such bad shape economically.

With that said, why doesn't Obama and his goons target Welfare and clean that up. Investigate fraud, start work programs and "escort" those people who can, back to work. Get them off the system and not encourage people to get on the system.

I think no matter which "team" you cheer for, you would have to agree that this would cut our budget and help stop the out of control flow of money to people who could be working.

Focus on this and leave my health care alone. Each of us are already paying $1,000 a year to cover people who don't have insurance and now Obama wants to rip it all apart and turn the health care field upside down to insure even more people.

Fine, but fix welfare BEFORE you start to mess with the working people's insurance who are already paying.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Everyone of us knows of the abuse of Welfare. Generation after generation on the "card". Have another baby to get more money. Sneak over the border and you will be covered. I personally have turned people in and they were never even contacted! This IS one of the main reasons we are in such bad shape economically.

With that said, why doesn't Obama and his goons target Welfare and clean that up. Investigate fraud, start work programs and "escort" those people who can, back to work. Get them off the system and not encourage people to get on the system.

I think no matter which "team" you cheer for, you would have to agree that this would cut our budget and help stop the out of control flow of money to people who could be working.

Focus on this and leave my health care alone. Each of us are already paying $1,000 a year to cover people who don't have insurance and now Obama wants to rip it all apart and turn the health care field upside down to insure even more people.

Fine, but fix welfare BEFORE you start to mess with the working people's insurance who are already paying.


You probably have employer paid health insurance. Ever ask yourself what will happen to you if your employer wants to restructure your insurance? In other words empower you by making you pay for all of your healthcare out of your own wages?. Ever hear of a healthcare savings acounts?
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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We do pay for all our health insurance and it ain't cheap. I would much rather continue this option than go with universal stealth care. I want medical services when I need them, not when the government thinks I need them. I would prefer not having a chronic illness, but I can't change my genes.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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So you would rather get medical services when your for-profit insurance company deems that you need them?

Noone is talking about "banning" private insurance. *Noone*. The idea is to offer a public plan. If you would rather pay more for your private insurance noone will stop you.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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you're the BILLION in corporate welfare is insane

Oh wait, you would rather trump up Reagan's welfare queens instead because that makes you feel better than what really is hurting us.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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Universal healthcare is cheaper and it covers everyone.

In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2017.1
Although nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.3
Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.4

http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml (broken link)
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:55 AM
 
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The US system of healthcare is ranked far below other countries univeral single payer systems.


The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:58 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Universal healthcare is cheaper and it covers everyone.

In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2017.1
Although nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.3
Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.4
NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs (http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml - broken link)
It may be "cheaper" but it won't give us a good return on our money. It has been said that the bitter after taste of cheap lasts far longer than the initial sweet taste of cheap.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:02 PM
 
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This is what right wingers want for Americans. This is what they are bragging about all the time.

This poster above from Oklahoma. This is just what rural Oklahoma is like. Poor whites who don't have healthcare.

This is what she wants for her poor Red State.


YouTube - 60 Minutes - Remote Medical Access
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:04 PM
 
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It may be "cheaper" but it won't give us a good return on our money. It has been said that the bitter after taste of cheap lasts far longer than the initial sweet taste of cheap.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Europeans and Canadians would never go to our system. They think it is barbaric for a wealthy country do this to it's less fortunate citizens.

Survival of the fittest. Dog eat dog. That's what you want.
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