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Old 05-29-2009, 11:28 AM
 
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And based upon those factors, you've concluded that these individuals are unworthy of assistance. Clearly, YOU have judged them.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~
Assistance involuntarily paid for by me. Yes I will then have every right to judge them based on those criteria.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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Assistance involuntarily paid for by me. Yes I will then have every right to judge them based on those criteria.
Do you understand that by denigrating a jobs program for these people, by denying that there should be such a program, you're saying you WANT to continue to involuntarily pay for their assistance?!

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Old 05-29-2009, 11:47 AM
 
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Do you understand that by denigrating a jobs program for these people, by denying that there should be such a program, you're saying you WANT to continue to involuntarily pay for their assistance?!

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It does not work that way. Because these kids pick up a rake and clean a park, and make a hundred bucks in a week they are going to be clean?
These are not sustainable jobs that will lead these kids to productive lives. This is not a program that will help them do better in school and take school seriously.
This is a band aid program to try and get some delinquents off the streets for a summer. Thank you.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:55 AM
 
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This is exactly what creates the sense of "entitlement". They are better off spending the money to help these people get on track..not give them a temp job and hand them money. This is just promoting dependence on the government to "save them".
Get them on track? You don't think that employment helps get them on track?
If not, what do you mean by that?
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I don't consider 14-24 homeless runaways entitled to get a job over someone who is going to school and preparing themselves for life.
You paint such a rosy picture (going to school, working hard, preparing for life).
It's BS. Preparing for life.
What high schooler isn't out getting hammered.
Preparing, lol.
Then they'll get to college and play around even more.

I'll grant you that 1%, maybe, are honestly trying to prepare for life.

I'm fully ok with helping out the down-trodden.
Sometimes all it takes is being able to see that tiny light at the end of the tunnel, to motivate someone to better things.

If you've never been in a hopeless situation, you won't understand that.
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Once that summer job is over the homeless runaway is still a homeless runaway. Nothing has been accomplished.
So the summer job will have no meaning for a homeless person?
But it would have meaning for the non-homeless?

Nope, that makes no sense.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:59 AM
 
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I found this:

Federal stimulus program pumping money into Western Massachusetts summer jobs for youth - MassLive.com

It doesn't seem that only "deliquents" will be eligible for these jobs.

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Kirby said Summer Jobs Campaign is open to young people ages 14 to 24 if they meet the same income requirements that would qualify them for free school lunch. Some jobs are only open to youth who also meet criteria for being at-risk, such as the child of a single working parent.

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Old 05-29-2009, 12:02 PM
 
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I found this:

Federal stimulus program pumping money into Western Massachusetts summer jobs for youth - MassLive.com

It doesn't seem that only "deliquents: will be eligible for these jobs.
But...but all "at-risk youth" are ipso facto delinquents! Wait a minute! What are you trying to make me think! Sean! Rush! Help! Lalalalalalalalala!
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:04 PM
 
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Oh....and to the OP...you're in violation of copywright laws as well as the TOS of this forum by not citing your source. You've copied someone else's words verbatim.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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LOL! Well, thanks for acknowledging that you have judged them - and that was the only point I was making (even though I disagree w/your position).

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Assistance involuntarily paid for by me. Yes I will then have every right to judge them based on those criteria.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:11 PM
 
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Get them on track? You don't think that employment helps get them on track?
No. These kids need more guidance then a rake and shovel handed to them. How about for once tackle the problem and not the symptom?
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:19 PM
 
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No. These kids need more guidance then a rake and shovel handed to them. How about for once tackle the problem and not the symptom?
Uh...are you aware that the criteria for these jobs that was conveniently left out by the OP is that they meet the same income requirements of the school free lunch program?

Once again to the OP...in case you missed it, cite your source. I'll give you a day to do so before I report the post as a violation of copywright law.
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