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Here is why I'm not worried about Russia's desire to do anything to the United States. I mean if they crumbled from within back when they were considerably more powerful and influential today than now, this is just little more that booga booga.
My God, when did my fellow Americans begin to fear their own shadows? I thought Americans were a tough bunch, but it seems anymore they are afraid of every thing and everyone.
My God, when did my fellow Americans begin to fear their own shadows?
What fear are you talking about? There is an inherent sadness and anger with the direction obama is driving this country.
There is an acknowledgement and realization that he is not the moderate he and others claimed he would be.
Many tried to sound the alarm, but when you have the media as part of your campaign, spiking stories and not reporting on others, you can go along way.
Fear that this disaster of an imposter will forever alter the foundations of this country - very likely to happen.
What fear are you talking about? There is an inherent sadness and anger with the direction obama is driving this country.
There is an acknowledgement and realization that he is not the moderate he and others claimed he would be.
Many tried to sound the alarm, but when you have the media as part of your campaign, spiking stories and not reporting on others, you can go along way.
Fear that this disaster of an imposter will forever alter the foundations of this country - very likely to happen.
In your own words, please provide the various points of contention in which the Obama administration is heading towards Marxism. What examples would you cite that would be irrefutable to a majority of the American population?
Please show me where Obama considered or quoted himself as a "moderate". I know I suggest he is governing this way for a variety of reasons, like his reversal on the torture photos (transparency) his continuation of many Bush policies in the Middle East. A substantial base of support among moderates and educated people that more align with the center than to either party extreme.
I know what my reasons for considering him to be reasonably moderate in action, what are your reasons for his being a Marxist other than this piece you found in a Russian news paper. Which by the way, if I find a piece in Pravada that stated Bush was a babbling baffoon and a complete idiot, would you then accept this as fact as you are asserting this piece as fact? Or are you just using this because it supports your view?
Thanks to obama and the dems. All those who voted for this scum should be ashamed of what he is doing to this once great country, built on capitalism, entrepreneurialship, hard work and the myriad of opportunities this country has presented to it's citizens.
In your own words, please provide the various points of contention in which the Obama administration is heading towards Marxism. What examples would you cite that would be irrefutable to a majority of the American population?
Please show me where Obama considered or quoted himself as a "moderate". I know I suggest he is governing this way for a variety of reasons, like his reversal on the torture photos (transparency) his continuation of many Bush policies in the Middle East. A substantial base of support among moderates and educated people that more align with the center than to either party extreme.
I know what my reasons for considering him to be reasonably moderate in action, what are your reasons for his being a Marxist other than this piece you found in a Russian news paper. Which by the way, if I find a piece in Pravada that stated Bush was a babbling baffoon and a complete idiot, would you then accept this as fact as you are asserting this piece as fact? Or are you just using this because it supports your view?
I have been really humored to see left handed people on this and two other forums saying essentially the same thing. I have come to wonder if the people that back Obama and his government haven't already somehow, brainwashed so many who are left handed.
I guess you don't know that the last two major nations with democratic governments have headed down the road we are on today. Australia voted liberal just about a year ago and it is amazing that they have progressed so far but not much more than we have since January 20.
What more likely people could we find than the Russians and the Chinese to tell us that we are going the wrong direction? Didn't both of them have bloody civil wars to install communism? Didn't their people have to last through very outlandish conditions for the years they had communist governments? Haven't they both prospered since installing more capitalistic governments? I guess I just can't see things as you do in this area of thinking. Experience is the best teacher unless the experience is that of the Russian and Chinese people, I guess.
In your own words, please provide the various points of contention in which the Obama administration is heading towards Marxism. What examples would you cite that would be irrefutable to a majority of the American population?
Please show me where Obama considered or quoted himself as a "moderate". I know I suggest he is governing this way for a variety of reasons, like his reversal on the torture photos (transparency) his continuation of many Bush policies in the Middle East. A substantial base of support among moderates and educated people that more align with the center than to either party extreme.
I know what my reasons for considering him to be reasonably moderate in action, what are your reasons for his being a Marxist other than this piece you found in a Russian news paper. Which by the way, if I find a piece in Pravada that stated Bush was a babbling baffoon and a complete idiot, would you then accept this as fact as you are asserting this piece as fact? Or are you just using this because it supports your view?
Hey, I forgot to mention that Obama outlefted Hillary during the primary campaign and then he went moderate for the next campaign. Oh, he managed to keep enough left leaning talk for those who needed that but he also became very moderate in his talk for that period also.
Lefties did propose some anti-Bush crap in Pravda back a way but usually they failed to interpret what was being said.
I have been really humored to see left handed people on this and two other forums saying essentially the same thing. I have come to wonder if the people that back Obama and his government haven't already somehow, brainwashed so many who are left handed.
I guess you don't know that the last two major nations with democratic governments have headed down the road we are on today. Australia voted liberal just about a year ago and it is amazing that they have progressed so far but not much more than we have since January 20.
What more likely people could we find than the Russians and the Chinese to tell us that we are going the wrong direction? Didn't both of them have bloody civil wars to install communism? Didn't their people have to last through very outlandish conditions for the years they had communist governments? Haven't they both prospered since installing more capitalistic governments? I guess I just can't see things as you do in this area of thinking. Experience is the best teacher unless the experience is that of the Russian and Chinese people, I guess.
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Hey, I forgot to mention that Obama outlefted Hillary during the primary campaign and then he went moderate for the next campaign. Oh, he managed to keep enough left leaning talk for those who needed that but he also became very moderate in his talk for that period also.
Lefties did propose some anti-Bush crap in Pravda back a way but usually they failed to interpret what was being said.
One obvious difference between you and I is that I do not see Liberals as evil or evil doers or a bad thing, I see them as a legitimate political party that at least at one time espoused liberal ideals. By that same token, I do not see the right as evil or as evil doers, as they too are a legitimate political position.
I do not see life in such arcane and primitive terms as good and evil, white hat, black hat, with us or against us. Life is far more like making cornbread with a lil of this and a lil of that, as absolutes are the realm of tyrants and fools, not to mention really lousy cornbread.
While I noticed that when I protest Obama's spending habits, you do not support my positions and when I chide Obama over the expansion of our wars and occupations in the Middle East, I get little to no support from those on the left, and in both cases you however remain silent. I think this is because you do not see me as having a position or even that we are countrymen, you seem to only see me as a "left handed" enemy. For you the world is clearly binary and condensed.
To suggest that the Obama administration is marching towards Marxism is not only extreme but incredibly absurd. If people honestly think we are becoming a Marxist state, then they must have no faith in our system of government, its laws, and the foundation it is built upon.
I will ask you the same thing I asked Sanrene, could you please cite some facts or evidence that even a small majority of Americans would concur with that suggest we are headed towards Marxism? What are the tenets of the Marxist ideology that we are marching towards, beyond just the wiki article you are about to google?
One obvious difference between you and I is that I do not see Liberals as evil or evil doers or a bad thing, I see them as a legitimate political party that at least at one time espoused liberal ideals. By that same token, I do not see the right as evil or as evil doers, as they too are a legitimate political position.
I do not see life in such arcane and primitive terms as good and evil, white hat, black hat, with us or against us. Life is far more like making cornbread with a lil of this and a lil of that, as absolutes are the realm of tyrants and fools, not to mention really lousy cornbread.
While I noticed that when I protest Obama's spending habits, you do not support my positions and when I chide Obama over the expansion of our wars and occupations in the Middle East, I get little to no support from those on the left, and in both cases you however remain silent. I think this is because you do not see me as having a position or even that we are countrymen, you seem to only see me as a "left handed" enemy. For you the world is clearly binary and condensed.
To suggest that the Obama administration is marching towards Marxism is not only extreme but incredibly absurd. If people honestly think we are becoming a Marxist state, then they must have no faith in our system of government, its laws, and the foundation it is built upon.
I will ask you the same thing I asked Sanrene, could you please cite some facts or evidence that even a small majority of Americans would concur with that suggest we are headed towards Marxism? What are the tenets of the Marxist ideology that we are marching towards, beyond just the wiki article you are about to google?
I am sorry that I don't see you as you say I do. I know what you do and don't at all care one way or the other. However, when I write here I do it for everybody who reads what I write, just as you do. We don't really think so much different on most things but we sure don't agree on what direction this administration is taking us. I don't mind Obama, himself, but I don't think he is in charge of things as much as Rahm Emanuel and some of the others who had to be part of his administration. I might throw in the name of Tim Geithner since he was the only tax non-payer who just had to work in this administration. All the rest, except for Kathleen Sebelius, were passed over after their weakness was discovered.
Sebelius was brought aboard for one thing and that thing only. She is a grand supporter of universal health care which is another of Obama's socialist policies I fail to agree with. I know a bit about Sebelius and what she can and will do because I voted for her twice for governor and once as insurance commissioner although she was a Democrat. i failed to support her for anything after the Greensburg, Ks. tornado a couple of years ago. She earned my switch on her by her actions as governor. I will tell you about that someday.
Thanks to obama and the dems. All those who voted for this scum should be ashamed of what he is doing to this once great country, built on capitalism, entrepreneurialship, hard work and the myriad of opportunities this country has presented to it's citizens.
Just because an article appeared in Pravda, that doesn't mean it's either accurate or right. They haven't exactly got the highest standards regarding objectivity. But apparently, you're right in step with their viewpoint.
To suggest that the Obama administration is marching towards Marxism is not only extreme but incredibly absurd. If people honestly think we are becoming a Marxist state, then they must have no faith in our system of government, its laws, and the foundation it is built upon.
I will ask you the same thing I asked Sanrene, could you please cite some facts or evidence that even a small majority of Americans would concur with that suggest we are headed towards Marxism? What are the tenets of the Marxist ideology that we are marching towards, beyond just the wiki article you are about to google?
The laws are being ignored and misapplied, the foundation (the Constitution)
is considered a "living document" that needs to "change with the times and situations." Faith in our system of government? After what we've seen Obama do to the country in the first 100 days? You must be kidding.
But, that aside...
There are intelligent, well respected people who say that Obama is not a Marxist. Thomas Sowell says Obama is a fascist. So, that means we are marching toward Fascism. Do you like that better?
Pick your poison, and carry on.
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