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Old 06-06-2009, 09:01 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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How much longer can America compete globally when 1 out of 6 dollars goes to health care in one form or the other? Answer, we can't. If the US had UHC how would that change the behavior of the health insurance industry? If the US had UHC, in my circumstance, I'd still purchase private insurance. Why? Because I then would have a true choice in controlling the kind of care for myself and wife unlike what I have now at a tune of $1000 a month not counting over $5000 in copays for average run of the mill medications in a so called, competitive private sector scheme in which it is not. There would be absolutely no doubt that the monthly premium for private insurance in a country that has UHC would be a very affordable monthly premium offering many times more benefit than what most Americans receive now because they will unfortunately, for them, will have to compete with a single payer system. Under this scenario, no doubt the American voter will have more control over their health care, not a private for profit enterprise. If the Fed running the single payer system becomes worse than what the private sector botched the American people will raise holy hell and heads will roll.

Greatday, I've been around for 50 years and remember clearly the recent past when health issues was much more affordable. I also remember being young and chose not to carry insurance. I also remember not wanting any government intervention on this issue. But times have changed whither you like it or not, they have really changed drastically.

You are banking that if there was a vote many younger people and those employed by large companies will vote no on a referendum to allow UHC. Perhaps that's true now, but for how long? If, for example, company’s stop paying their share of the employee's
health insurance how would the vote go then? The vote would be for UHC. And that day is coming because I know for a fact that many small and medium sized companies are struggling and are having a very hard time providing this benefit. Many are offering their employees substandard or watered down coverage because they no longer can afford to offer this full benefit. As time goes by it will be offered less and less and the large companies are next if not already. And its going to happen quickly and in many ways was General Motors downfall.
So nice to see open mindedness on this subject.
You would have a UHC that you could use and Private Insurance if you so wish, many in a UHC don't bother with privatee as they don't need it, It would not cost you anywhere near what you pay nnow and NO co pay at sll. You are obviously thinking of the big picture and not just trying to keep a Elitist system in place.
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:57 AM
 
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So nice to see open mindedness on this subject.
You would have a UHC that you could use and Private Insurance if you so wish, many in a UHC don't bother with privatee as they don't need it, It would not cost you anywhere near what you pay nnow and NO co pay at sll. You are obviously thinking of the big picture and not just trying to keep a Elitist system in place.
Could not agree more.
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:10 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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If there was a referendum you would get the Small business owners voting for a UHC, The Big Company owners voting for a UHC, the Millions of now uninsured voting for a UHC, the Insured who are now being destroyed by high premiums voting for a UHC, the Young who do not want to spend huge amounts of their small earnings on health Voting for a UHC. The elderly who are disatisfied with the half hearted Medicare/aide will vote for a UHC, People with Pre existing conditions voting for a UHC and any sensible American who is now fed up with the elitist company greed of the Insurance Companies, voting for a UHC and many tax paying residents from UHC countries living in America will vote for a UHC, People with big families will vote for a UHC, now who is left to vote for the antiquated expensive inefficient private health system.... i know...... the dinosaurs that can afford the high premiums and co pays who are scared stiff of others getting as good a health service as they now enjoy and will fight tooth and nail to keep their elitist hold on the health of America.
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I'm willing to have the American People decide rather than 535 fat cats in the Congress.

Let the PEOPLE make the decision.
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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If there was a referendum you would get the Small business owners voting for a UHC, The Big Company owners voting for a UHC, the Millions of now uninsured voting for a UHC, the Insured who are now being destroyed by high premiums voting for a UHC, the Young who do not want to spend huge amounts of their small earnings on health Voting for a UHC. The elderly who are disatisfied with the half hearted Medicare/aide will vote for a UHC, People with Pre existing conditions voting for a UHC and any sensible American who is now fed up with the elitist company greed of the Insurance Companies, voting for a UHC and many tax paying residents from UHC countries living in America will vote for a UHC, People with big families will vote for a UHC, now who is left to vote for the antiquated expensive inefficient private health system.... i know...... the dinosaurs that can afford the high premiums and co pays who are scared stiff of others getting as good a health service as they now enjoy and will fight tooth and nail to keep their elitist hold on the health of America.
The problem is that people are voting against their interest because the only information they are getting is propaganda from the insurance companies, American Medical Association, pharms and all other special interest groups with a hand in the pot. They hear buzz phrases like socialized medicine and stop listening.

We have to keep getting the word out and put pressure on our reps.
I believe National Healthcare is socialized medicine, but like the Post office, the military, and the FBI it is not a bad thing to have the government control something where the free market has not worked, and I think it is beyond debate that the free market health care forumula has not worked.

People will have to be exposed to the facts and the myths debunked. National health care does in fact work. We have the worst health care system of a non third world country!
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:12 PM
 
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I'm willing to have the American People decide rather than 535 fat cats in the Congress.

Let the PEOPLE make the decision.
Come on GD, have faith. Those 535 fat cats have the best health insurance this country can offer. And they receive it for life. That's right for life, whether they are still serving or not, employed or not, existing condition or not, no COBRA coverage ever needed because there will never be a laspe in coverage until they drop dead. You know, its a perk. They wouldn't vote for UHC, hell, they've been bought and are owned by the lobby. Why do you think things have gotten so good for the insurance industry these past 25 years?
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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Heck, the more I think about it, it sounds like congress has got themselves socialized medicine. Oh, thats right, its from private insurance, but wait, paid for by the taxpayer. What the hell is that called, simi quisi socialism? I guess sinse it's simi quisi or quisi simi it's ok.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:10 PM
 
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Heck, the more I think about it, it sounds like congress has got themselves socialized medicine. Oh, thats right, its from private insurance, but wait, paid for by the taxpayer. What the hell is that called, simi quisi socialism? I guess sinse it's simi quisi or quisi simi it's ok.
I will have what they are having.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:11 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Today is a very important day in the History of Freedom. It is the 65th Anniversary of D-Day.
It is the Aniiversary of the day that thousands of Brit's, Americans, Canadians and Allies died so that we will not be victimised or taken advantage of by Propoganda and power crazy self interest.
Unfortunately the American people are still being taken advantage of by self interest and being told it is good for them... Sounds like what Hitler convinced the Germans that his regime was all about, making their lives better while he lined his own pockets and ego. If you want to call having healthcare fotr every American Citizen socialism... hey go for it. The point is that self interest is in charge of the American Health Service and only a full UHC will break their monopoly on YOUR health.
UHC's work and work well..but if the elitists in America have their way YOU will never know.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Heck, the more I think about it, it sounds like congress has got themselves socialized medicine. Oh, thats right, its from private insurance, but wait, paid for by the taxpayer. What the hell is that called, simi quisi socialism? I guess sinse it's simi quisi or quisi simi it's ok.
Wish i could give you another rep.
It's only "socialism" if it is in the interest of middle and working class Americans, otherwise it's the "free market" which of course we all pay for anyway.
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