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Old 06-06-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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Wish i could give you another rep.
It's only "socialism" if it is in the interest of middle and working class Americans, otherwise it's the "free market" which of course we all pay for anyway.
Geeoro - we do agree on some things
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:18 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I'm willing to have the American People decide rather than 535 fat cats in the Congress.

Let the PEOPLE make the decision.
So pleased that you are willing to allow the American people to decide. If Americans had their way they would vote for NO MORE sleepless nights worrying about their health care.
You must remember though it isn't the best of three when the first referendum goes for a UHC.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Geeoro - we do agree on some things
LOL hotair2.. i'd get really worried if we agreed on everything...
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:28 PM
 
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LOL hotair2.. i'd get really worried if we agreed on everything...
I have never met anyone that agree with me on everything. They would probably scare the hell out of me.

Going back to topic. "Let the people decide" WHEN You are talking national healthcare are you talking about a ballot type vote. I think that would be actually pretty ridiculous. An issue as large and as complicated as National Health care could not be decided on a ballot issue because of the degree of variation.

The people would decide by voting for their representative, who in my mind have completely let us down. Over and over again, health care issues are one of the three most important issues to Americans and our representatives have done absolutely nothing. Kick them all out until we get ones that will serve the interest of Americans. The one thing I thought Obama would do is help out with this issue. He has done absolutely nothing.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The one thing I thought Obama would do is help out with this issue. He has done absolutely nothing.
Obama has only been in office for a few months - and he has had a lot on his plate.

You can't possibly think he could get to everything all at once - could you?
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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I have never met anyone that agree with me on everything. They would probably scare the hell out of me.

Going back to topic. "Let the people decide" WHEN You are talking national healthcare are you talking about a ballot type vote. I think that would be actually pretty ridiculous. An issue as large and as complicated as National Health care could not be decided on a ballot issue because of the degree of variation.

The people would decide by voting for their representative, who in my mind have completely let us down. Over and over again, health care issues are one of the three most important issues to Americans and our representatives have done absolutely nothing. Kick them all out until we get ones that will serve the interest of Americans. The one thing I thought Obama would do is help out with this issue. He has done absolutely nothing.
I've had little faith in Obama from the beginning only because he received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the insurance lobby during his campaine. All he'll get done is what the DNC trumpeted 1.5% decrease in increases over ten years or was it a 1.5% decrease every year for 10 years? Either way lets say its a 15% decrease in increases over 10 years, so what. Over 10 years we'll see an over all 20% increase one way or the other. So I have no idea what the fuss was about. The insurance companys can raise the rates 40% over tens years and then make the claim that if it wasn't for President Obama the rate would have been 10-15% higher. Who the hell knows? Still hard working middle class folks are going to go completely broke over any 2 of those formulas. However, I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:48 PM
 
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I've had little faith in Obama from the beginning only because he received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the insurance lobby during his campaine. All he'll get done is what the DNC trumpeted 1.5% decrease in increases over ten years or was it a 1.5% decrease every year for 10 years? Either way lets say its a 15% decrease in increases over 10 years, so what. Over 10 years we'll see an over all 20% increase one way or the other. So I have no idea what the fuss was about. The insurance companys can raise the rates 40% over tens years and then make the claim that if it wasn't for President Obama the rate would have been 10-15% higher. Who the hell knows? Still hard working middle class folks are going to go completely broke over any 2 of those formulas. However, I hope I'm wrong.
I agree he nor our congressmen have done anything for hard working americans concerning health care. He is either in their pocket or out of touch.
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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I agree he nor our congressmen have done anything for hard working americans concerning health care. He is either in their pocket or out of touch.
He is in their pocket, no doubt about it and so where the Clintons back in their day, believe it or not. But Obama can surprise the hell out of these crooks if he wants. There's no signed contract.
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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He is in their pocket, no doubt about it and so where the Clintons back in their day, believe it or not. But Obama can surprise the hell out of these crooks if he wants. There's no signed contract.
Obviously, the President cannot make any changes unilaterally. He needs the Congress to step up and initiate and pass legislation.
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:36 PM
 
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Obviously, the President cannot make any changes unilaterally. He needs the Congress to step up and initiate and pass legislation.
That is correct and the fact he is a well articulate speaker he would be able to drum up support from the public forcing the issue down congress's throat including Ted Kennedy who isn't really on board either.
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