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Well well well.
The truth finally comes out about Canadian health care not being the BEST!
To everyone who thinks AMERICA should be just like CANADA read this article!
The Euro-Canadian Health Consumer Index (ECHCI), which was released on Monday, takes a fresh look at how medicare serves Canadians.
The results are dismal.
consumers lack meaningful guarantees of timely and effective treatment
Successful European health-care systems include strong "patient rights" laws, something Canada lacks.
Without these rights laws, as well as the right to a second opinion, unrestricted access to our own medical records and ready information about the qualifications and histories of doctors, Canadians are treated as passive patients rather than empowered consumers.
Nowhere is this more apparent than with regard to waiting times. It is not news that waits for diagnosis and treatment are unacceptably long in Canada.
Canada's performance falls consistently between poor and adequate,
And as problematic as the Canadian health care system is, it is still better than that of the United States. Pretty sad when the United States health care system is rated a tad lower than a country that spends 5% less of its GDP on health care.
From your own post:
Canada's performance falls consistently between poor and adequate
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the World Health Organization's ratings of "overall health service performance", published in 2000, which used a "composite measure of achievement in the level of health, the distribution of health, the level of responsiveness and fairness of financial contribution", ranked Canada 30th and the U.S. 37th among 191 member nations. This study rated the US "responsiveness", or quality of service, as 1st, compared with 7th for Canada. The average life expectancy for Canada was 80.34 years compared with U.S. at 78.6 years
And as problematic as the Canadian health care system is, it is still better than that of the United States. Pretty sad when the United States health care system is rated a tad lower than a country that spends 5% less of its GDP on health care.
From your own post:
Canada's performance falls consistently between poor and adequate
do you have any newer data this is from 2000
I also think without the US next to Canada the Canadian healthcare would be worse.
there are a lot of Canadians who come to the USA to be treated as well as other countries
Medical tourism is big.
I also think without the US next to Canada the Canadian healthcare would be worse.
there are a lot of Canadians who come to the USA to be treated as well as other countries
Medical tourism is big.
Not to argue with you Miborn, but I'm sure our healthcare system here in the US is considerably worse than in 2000. However, Canada's system may be as well.
I also think without the US next to Canada the Canadian healthcare would be worse.
there are a lot of Canadians who come to the USA to be treated as well as other countries
Medical tourism is big.
This is not necessarily the case, you have to factor in that Canada is a country that has lost alot of its medical talent to the U.S for bigger paycheques. Also factor in Canada is a HUGE country in area that is sparsely populated but provinces are mandated to provide care for those in remote locations.. Simply put Canada is bigger than Europe itself in area minus Russia. The U.S like Canada has challenges of its own so it is difficult to compare ANY of these regions because the challenges each face are highly unique.
As for you argument about Canada falling below Europe - i'm not surprised on a macro-level but my experiences personally have been exceptional with our system. I know its only one story - but my pop beat cancer because of our system.
If anything though, both Canada and the U.S should see this as an opportunity for improvement yet matched with sustainability as best possible.
This is not necessarily the case, you have to factor in that Canada is a country that has lost alot of its medical talent to the U.S for bigger paycheques. Also factor in Canada is a HUGE country in area that is sparsely populated but provinces are mandated to provide care for those in remote locations.. Simply put Canada is bigger than Europe itself in area. The U.S like Canada has challenges of its own so it is difficult to compare ANY of these regions because the challenges each face are highly unique.
As for you argument about Canada falling below Europe - i'm not surprised on a macro-level but my experiences personally have been exceptional with our system. I know its only one story - but my pop beat cancer because of our system.
If anything though, both Canada and the U.S should see this as an opportunity for improvement yet matched with sustainability as best possible.
I am happy for your dad!
I dont think the care is so much the issue as the wait time for treatment or diagnosis.
Rising health care costs in the United States and longer waiting times in Canada are inducing patients to seek treatment overseas. The appeal of this phenomenon is driven by cost savings as high as 90%, depending on the procedure and the country in which it is performed, and virtually no wait times.
There are more than 45 million U.S. citizens without health insurance, and even more with health coverage that they consider inadequate. While U.S. consumers are concerned mainly with the exorbitant cost of care, Canadians are more troubled by wait times for certain treatments. Indeed, approximately 1 million Canadians claim to be experiencing difficulties in access to care.
I am happy for your dad!
I dont think the care is so much the issue as the wait time for treatment or diagnosis.
It may depend on the type of treatment. In my fathers case he had stage 3 cancer bladder cancer that required radical surgery followed by chemotherapy. He was diagnosed in May - on the operating table the beginning of July and rc'd chemo in August - this is not long waiting times given the complicated nature of his treatment - we ain't talking about a broken leg, but if he had one perhaps he'd still be waiting 4 years later
Anyway, i'm sure we can improve but Canada is on the Socialism scale of things in between Europe and the U.S and we have our affairs in a financially sustainable manner. Fiscally over the last decade Canada has left Europe and the U.S in the dust when it comes to fiscal management of our budgets... Life is full of opportunity costs... so is running a country.
Let us also make a comparison of life expectancies of Canada vs Euro Countries and we are in the middle! We have 3 years on the average U.S citizen according to C.I.A factbook
The US consistently ranks in quality in categories related to research and development, and technology that is widely available throughout the system. What we rank consistently low in is availability to everyone and price.
I have my own healthcare plan that would make everyone happy and blow existing systems out of the water, but I am saving it until I get elected POTUS.
This is not necessarily the case, you have to factor in that Canada is a country that has lost alot of its medical talent to the U.S for bigger paycheques. Also factor in Canada is a HUGE country in area that is sparsely populated but provinces are mandated to provide care for those in remote locations.. Simply put Canada is bigger than Europe itself in area minus Russia. The U.S like Canada has challenges of its own so it is difficult to compare ANY of these regions because the challenges each face are highly unique.
As for you argument about Canada falling below Europe - i'm not surprised on a macro-level but my experiences personally have been exceptional with our system. I know its only one story - but my pop beat cancer because of our system.
If anything though, both Canada and the U.S should see this as an opportunity for improvement yet matched with sustainability as best possible.
The US consistently ranks in quality in categories related to research and development, and technology that is widely available throughout the system. What we rank consistently low in is availability to everyone and price.
Yes, and I am not willing to give up my quality just so a bunch of people who don't feel like paying into the system get more availability. Quality is everything.
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