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I will be fine with gay marriage when I get a 100% guarantee that changing legal definitions based on sexual orientation can't ever, ever, ever be used by groups like NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) to challenge age of consent laws.
If Sexual orientation/desire is something one is born with, what is to stop those who have a sexual orientation/desire towards young children from becoming protected based on sexual desires becoming a legally protected realm?
What happens legally when sexual desire is raised to such importcet that it becomes the basis to change law? What happens to rape cases (rapists are "oriented") or age of consent (13 y/o is infatuated w/25 y/o and is pissed at parents).
Can I get a 100% guarantee that sexual orientation/preference/desire can't be used to slide down these slippery slopes?
Before you lol me out, 20 years ago who would have thought gay marriage could even be a possibility. Whose to say that elevating sexual desire to change laws won't allow pedifiles a pass based on their sexual orientation?
Aside from that, were are your examples cited in the Constitution in support of this 'traditional' definition.
Missi - Serious. The Constitution says nothing on marriage.
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You are citing historical examples of marriage...
That was the point. Marriage has been defined by society as between man and wife for thousands of years. And honestly, I am student of history and there's not much in the historical records of gay marriage. 99.7% of all marriages ever conducted were btwn man and woman. There are references to brotherhood contracts from Renaissance period, similiar to the civil unions we have today. But no gay marriage.
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It's always been a matter of prejudice based primarily in religious dogma.
It's not prejudice. Marriage has always been rooted in religious dogma. You cannot remove the two.
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am fine with the concept, so long as all straight couples who marry outside of the church in city hall are given civil unions
I'm in agreement. However, I do disagree with everything else you say. =) Your seperate but seperate conclusion - in California you have all the rights afforded hetro couples and no one really cares you're gay; it is you who are removing and isolating yourself. You continue and say, "as time goes, so does tradition" - it is not your place to dictate that.That is what this is about. Then you make mention of black and white relations from 60's/70's and earlier. There was a lot of hate involved between black and white then. There's no hate towards gays in California, nor any of other the other big cities which I've lived back east.
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facist to try to control the actions of the masses based on perceived "Moral superiority
In this marriage word situation, it is actually quite the opposite of that. A small minority is trying to redefine the societal definition of marriage and shove it down the mass's throat. If you disagree with the gay agenda and their new definition of marriage, you are labelled a civil rights violator, bigot, facist, sick, racist, etc.
I speak for myself here, but my premises do not preach any morality: Marriage defined by society is and has been btwn man and women. Gay couples are treated equal, no one cares and have all the rights as hetros.
I will be fine with gay marriage when I get a 100% guarantee that changing legal definitions based on sexual orientation can't ever, ever, ever be used by groups like NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) to challenge age of consent laws.
If Sexual orientation/desire is something one is born with, what is to stop those who have a sexual orientation/desire towards young children from becoming protected based on sexual desires becoming a legally protected realm?
What happens legally when sexual desire is raised to such importcet that it becomes the basis to change law? What happens to rape cases (rapists are "oriented") or age of consent (13 y/o is infatuated w/25 y/o and is pissed at parents).
Can I get a 100% guarantee that sexual orientation/preference/desire can't be used to slide down these slippery slopes?
Before you lol me out, 20 years ago who would have thought gay marriage could even be a possibility. Whose to say that elevating sexual desire to change laws won't allow pedifiles a pass based on their sexual orientation?
I want 100% guarantee.
I'll give you a 100% guarantee that homosexuals are not the same as rapists or pedophiles.
I'll give you a 100% guarantee that homosexual marriage is not about rape, molestation and/or victimization. Kinda like straight marriage, eh?
Now, if by saying that homosexuals should never be allowed the right to marry as it somehow in some vague way 'destroys the fiber' or lessens the impact of traditional marriage then I want you to give me a 100% guarantee that there will be no more divorces, that there will be no more husbands serially cheating on their wives, that there will no longer be any incidences of fathers molesting their daughters, that straight boys will no longer knock up straight girls then hide from their obligations.
I wonder how many people against same sex marriage couldn't value their own marriages enough to keep them together? They might be on their second or third marriage but will deny others the right to marry.
I will be fine with gay marriage when I get a 100% guarantee that changing legal definitions based on sexual orientation can't ever, ever, ever be used by groups like NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) to challenge age of consent laws.
If Sexual orientation/desire is something one is born with, what is to stop those who have a sexual orientation/desire towards young children from becoming protected based on sexual desires becoming a legally protected realm?
What happens legally when sexual desire is raised to such importcet that it becomes the basis to change law? What happens to rape cases (rapists are "oriented") or age of consent (13 y/o is infatuated w/25 y/o and is pissed at parents).
Can I get a 100% guarantee that sexual orientation/preference/desire can't be used to slide down these slippery slopes?
Before you lol me out, 20 years ago who would have thought gay marriage could even be a possibility. Whose to say that elevating sexual desire to change laws won't allow pedifiles a pass based on their sexual orientation?
I want 100% guarantee.
We've come a long way since Biblical times where a man could have several wives, including under-aged girls. Or where incestuous marriages and relationships were condoned. And let's not forget the men who had concubines and owned slave women for sex as well. Abraham, the pillar of Judeo/Christian/Islamic religions was a great example . All these practices were condoned in the Bible but are not acceptable in modern western culture.
Small extremist groups like NAMBLA are complete sickos and have as much to do with homosexuals as heterosexual men raping young girls, or fathers having incest with their daughters, has to do with heterosexual men in general.
If you seriously want to go down that track, then by that logic, heterosexual men shouldn't be allowed to marry because of the danger of them getting the legal age of consent reduced to 10 or 12 years old for girls. You only have to see all the heterosexual porn sites that depict schoolgirl rape or the number of heterosexual pedophiles obsessed with pre-pubescent girls. Clearly that is not the case with heterosexual men in general and it's NOT the case with homosexual males and females in general either.
The vast majority of homosexuals are oriented towards adults just as heterosexuals are. Your questions would be insulting if they weren't so baseless and silly.
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. All these practices were condoned in the Bible but are not acceptable in modern western culture. 
