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Old 06-02-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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Clearly, Obama and Capitalism have declared war on each other and America is not big enough for both for them to live peacefully. The result of this battle could fundamentally change America forever. Who will win?
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:42 AM
 
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Clearly, Obama and Capitalism have declared war on each other and America is not big enough for both for them to live peacefully. The result of this battle could fundamentally change America forever. Who will win?


Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com
The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize.
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:44 AM
 
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Is Obama A Socialist? Not if You Ask One - HUMAN EVENTS
Greg Pason, National Secretary of the Socialist Party USA: “Barack Obama's programs are not socialist. The vast majority of his proposals are anti-worker (or he might say ‘pro-business’). His health care proposals are more to save the for-profit insurance industry and do not have the goal of ending for-profit insurance. He has refused to support a Senate version of HR676, which would create a single-payer program (not socialist but much better than we have, and [which has] the support of labor and community organizations across the US). Many of his other economic proposals are pro-corporate.

A socialist program (even a reformist one) would not be a program that props up capitalism when it fails, but one that transforms the economy. None of Senator Obama's proposals do that. Senator Obama’s tax plan is regressive and even less ‘progressive’ than programs put forward under such conservative administrations like the one of Richard Nixon.”
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David Schaich, Socialist Party Campaign Clearinghouse Coordinator: “The idea that Barack Obama is socialist, or quasi-socialist, or semi-socialist, or socialist-light, or anything of the sort, is far-right nonsense. Barack Obama, like John McCain, is very much a ‘politician as usual,’fully committed to the continuation of the capitalist system and the expansion of its empire.”

Barack Obama, the pious, messianic hero of the Left, is thrice denied by the socialist movement itself. Some say his proposals are in fact bad for working America, and others suggest he is just as much a dirty capitalist as the rest of us.
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:46 AM
 
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Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com
The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize.
You might be right. Isn't fascism where the economy is run on the surface by the private sector, however the government really runs the show behind the scenes? Sounds a lot like what we have in America today.
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:46 AM
 
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Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com
The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize.
I love it we went from NeoCon to Neoliberal.
Neo meaning "New": As in New World Order.
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:48 AM
 
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You might be right. Isn't fascism where the economy is run on the surface by the private sector, however the government really runs the show behind the scenes? Sounds a lot like what we have in America today.
No, that's not a defining characteristic of fascism. Fascism isnt an economic theory

Are you trying to say the Obama Admin is a totalitarian regime, and "any day now," it'll show its true face?
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:49 AM
 
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Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com
The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize.
I wouldn't classify Obama as a Capitalist or a conservative
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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You might be right. Isn't fascism where the economy is run on the surface by the private sector, however the government really runs the show behind the scenes? Sounds a lot like what we have in America today.

Read this and tell me which administration this sounds like. It sure isn't Obama's.


George W Bush and the 14 points of fascism - Project for the OLD American Century
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:52 AM
 
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Read this and tell me which administration this sounds like. It sure isn't Obama's.


George W Bush and the 14 points of fascism - Project for the OLD American Century
I don't know what any of this has to do with Obama. Do you think I approved of the spending under Bush? Do you think I approved of the bailouts under Bush? No, I didn't then and I don't now. I'm not a sellout, like those Democrats that complained for the past 8 years about the Patriot Act, but are silent today after Obama expanded it. Pathetic.
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:52 AM
 
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Before quoting and threading and buying into hype propaganda, why not learn what fascism really is in the countries that suffered under it.
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