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Old 06-05-2009, 03:55 PM
 
Location: OB
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No one in the MSM is critical of this man. Blows me away. And they still call themselves independent media. LMAO. How can the president say such off-the-wall BS like he did yesterday and no one will call him on it. His talking points were so completely fabricated that I wonder if we didnt grow up in two different worlds.

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It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra (1), our magnetic compass (2) and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing (3), our understanding of how disease spreads and how it could be healed (4). ... and throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words (5) and deeds (6) the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality (7).
1. Wow! The Arabs inherited algebra from the Greek Byzantines (by way of Babylons and Ancient Greeks). Jeeze, you'd think such a brilliant man would have heard of Ptolemy's Theorem before.

2. Magnetic compass is Arab? He just makes stuff up, like how we are not a Christian nation but rather a Muslim nation. But yeah, the magnetic compass is a Chinese invention. Zhu Yu a Chinese mariner was the first sailor recorded using one.

3. Printing. Of all the major spoken languages, the language with the least amount of books available to read is Arabic.

4. Heal disease by drinking camel urine. Allaah knows best. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. Islam Question and Answer - The benefits of drinking camel urine

5. Islam is not tolerant, the words: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth [i.e. Islam] (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9:29).

6. Islam is not tolerant, the deeds: Death for apostasy is part and parcel of Islamic scripture and tradition. Islam is only tolerant to Muslims.

7. Equality within the context of Islam is a joke. Obama should review dhimmi, dhimmitude (subduedness) and the jizya tax. There are still Muslim Arab slavers in Sudan and the Sahel. On pain of death, you cannot be gay in Muslim countries. Women are property and in most Islamic countries have little access to school and cannot leave the house without a male escort. Some record of equality Islam has.

Earth to Obama, making ***** up, doesnt make it true. Pretending that things don't exist, doesn't make them go away.
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Old 06-05-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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He said "developed," not "invented." None of it is made up.

http://wire.factcheck.org/2009/06/05/obama-and-islamic-history/ (broken link)
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Old 06-05-2009, 06:17 PM
 
Location: OB
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He said "developed," not "invented."
When I heard/read "developed" I interpreted as one of its definitions: bring into being.

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None of it is made up.
Except the part about tolerance and equality.
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Old 06-05-2009, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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He said "developed," not "invented." None of it is made up.

Obama and Islamic History | The FactCheck Wire (http://wire.factcheck.org/2009/06/05/obama-and-islamic-history/ - broken link)
I think he was saying that they helped develop myself and I see no problem with that.

The tolerance thing really irritates me though. I know Muslims here in America with family in the Middle East. One of the things the women, daughters have said is that they could never live in a Muslim country because women in general suffer. In other countries such as the US, Muslim women are much less at risk from suffering. The same goes for gay people. Many more moderate Muslims in non-Muslim countries are more tolerant but in a Muslim country watch out.

I wish Obama would have felt more comfortable to address human rights in the Muslim world. That would have made points with the moderate Muslims, I think, I hope.
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Old 06-05-2009, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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No one in the MSM is critical of this man. Blows me away. And they still call themselves independent media. LMAO.
Ironically you expect everybody to believe your rebuttal without nary a shred of factual data (save one) to back your diatribe.

Imagine that.

You should change the title of the thread to "Just because Obama says, doesn't mean it's true-and me too."
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Old 06-05-2009, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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When I heard/read "developed" I interpreted as one of its definitions: bring into being.

...
Or refine, tune, enhance...
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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He gets away with the most outlandish claims. The media is mesmerized.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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He gets away with the most outlandish claims. The media is mesmerized.
Fox News gets away with the most outlandish claims. God fearin', gun-totin', white Americans are mesmerized.
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