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Old 06-08-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Did government do a "Good Thing" to prop up Big Auto?
Though one might think that this rush to "Fix" the automobile infrastructure is "great", please reconsider.

1. Since the U.S.A. is no longer "Queen of Oil", subsidizing the automobile is no longer rational.
2. The biggest contributor to road and bridge destruction is heavy trucks - 18 wheelers.
3. Roughly 70% of our petroleum consumption is imported. And demand will only grow - unless we start a national initiative to change.
4. No-fossil-fuel automobiles are still dependent upon petroleum for lubrication, plastics, synthetic rubber tires, fabrics, safety glass polymers and the asphalt they roll on.

What should be emphasized?
A. Electrify all mainline railroads
B. Build / rebuild electric powered urban rail mass transit - streetcars, trams, interurbans, light rail, subways, funiculars, cogwheel, etc.
C. Scale back petroleum consumption by 70% within ten years.
D. Transfer long haul shipping to rail / water.
E. Population concentration into towns and cities, and recovery of arable land should be paramount - you can't eat concrete!
F. Conservation and sustainability should be the watchwords of all future development.

Okay, we've scaled back private automobiles to 30% or less of current fleet size, and cut importation of oil. We've reduced our resource consumption.
Now what else must we do to renew our industrial prowess and rebuild prosperity for the remainder of the 21st century?

A few deletions are in order.

What must be deleted?
1. Usury, the fee, in money, for the use of money, is mathematically impossible to pay in a finite money token system. It cannot be tolerated.
2. The national debt, based on usury, is legally and mathematically impossible to pay, and any law that maintains an impossibility should be void, on its face. (14th amendment, sec. 4; Federal Reserve Act of 1914)
3. Since the USCON specifically protects private property and socialism / communism abolish private property, "voluntary" national socialism (Social Security Act of 1935) is anathema to American law. Likewise all laws enacted in harmony with the ten planks of the communist manifesto are void, and unconstitutional on their face.
4. Limited liability must be abolished. No one can escape responsibility for the harm they inflict, in pursuit of wealth, power, or property.

Synopsis of American government and law:
All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy and policy requires consent.

If the government is not explicitly securing a right to life, liberty or private property, consent is involved.

However, under "voluntary" national socialism, promulgated upon the wreckage caused by usurers, insanity has replaced reason.

[] Government makes nothing but more government; government gives nothing but that which is taken from somebody else.
[] You cannot build prosperity by penalizing productive people and rewarding parasites. The consequence is economic collapse, as takers drain the givers.
[] National debt, in excess of ten trillion dollars, is a legal obligation to pay gold coin of a sum 99 times greater than the known world supply of above ground bullion.
[] The impossible national debt cannot be paid with Federal Reserve Notes (dollar bills) because a note is a debt - a promise to pay dollars in the future.
[] By law, the only way that new FRNs are created, is when the government goes deeper into debt. (Congress borrowed more in 2007 and 2008, than it paid in debt service - interest.)
[] The only way to create more FRNs to pay the interest due is to go deeper into debt. (INSANE!)
[] "Free Americans", the "human resources" pledged as collateral, via FICA, have not knowingly accepted "voluntary servitude" for themselves and their children, and such fraud must be denounced and eradicated from the land.
[] The culprits of this scam should be brought to justice, ASAP.

The consequence of failure is self evident, as America slips into further decline, helpless to oppose those who would rob her people, and their progeny, from the birthright of sovereignty, freedom and independence. That is the endowment that the founding generation fought for, and the preceding generations forgotten.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:08 PM
 
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On which piece of dung should we focus? You've covered quite a bit in the OP - going from stimulus to auto bailouts to oil to usury to socialism...
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:10 PM
 
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On which piece of dung should we focus? You've covered quite a bit in the OP - going from stimulus to auto bailouts to oil to usury to socialism...
How else can one deal with short attention spans?
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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how else can one deal with short attention spans?
yeah!
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:15 AM
 
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Hmm.

You really are out there spreading the good word, aren't you?

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I'm just impressed you take the time to reply to your threads.
Probably very time-consuming.
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:35 AM
 
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I am inspired to act, by my own unpleasant learning experiences in the (in)justice system. They taught me that I was a slave. In my ignorance, I "believed" in the pablum fed to me by the organs of propaganda and indoctrination. I thought I was a "free man". It was a revelation that the (in)justice system was based on fraud, lies, and deceptions.

When I was in my late 30s, I was compelled to actually READ the law, and not accept the 'interpretations' from on high. Was I surprised!

The most shocking discovery, was that the government always admitted that it was not sovereign. And that "sovereign immunity" only applied to its citizens / subjects. The American nationals were never subjects nor objects of the law.

At first, I was angry at 'them'. Then I realized the #1 enemy was looking back at me in the mirror. I was too gullible and trusting, and didn't verify what I was led to believe. So now, I 'spread the wealth' of what little gems I found, hidden in plain sight, in any courthouse law library.

Generation "L" for lost

Our birthright, as Americans, an endowment unmatched in the world, is that we were born with the potential to become sovereigns, kings without subjects, exercising natural and personal liberty. And we were tricked into surrendering that birthright for the equivalent of table scraps and offal.

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Old 06-09-2009, 12:46 AM
 
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I guess I have to give you props - I didn't think you wrote the Original post, so I was looking for the original.

But looks it was you, maybe taking from other things you've written.

Now, if someone could figure out a cost for this part:
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Though one might think that this rush to "Fix" the automobile infrastructure is "great", please reconsider.

1. Since the U.S.A. is no longer "Queen of Oil", subsidizing the automobile is no longer rational.
2. The biggest contributor to road and bridge destruction is heavy trucks - 18 wheelers.
3. Roughly 70% of our petroleum consumption is imported. And demand will only grow - unless we start a national initiative to change.
4. No-fossil-fuel automobiles are still dependent upon petroleum for lubrication, plastics, synthetic rubber tires, fabrics, safety glass polymers and the asphalt they roll on.

What should be emphasized?
A. Electrify all mainline railroads
B. Build / rebuild electric powered urban rail mass transit - streetcars, trams, interurbans, light rail, subways, funiculars, cogwheel, etc.
C. Scale back petroleum consumption by 70% within ten years.
D. Transfer long haul shipping to rail / water.
E. Population concentration into towns and cities, and recovery of arable land should be paramount - you can't eat concrete!
F. Conservation and sustainability should be the watchwords of all future development.
Disagree with some (or alot) of your post, and I'll try to dig in later.

Colbert Report is on - he's entertaining the troops.
Really funny so far.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:15 AM
 
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C. Scale back petroleum consumption by 70% within ten years.
I like it. Oil being finite, it'd be good to save some for a time when we might really need it for something (whatever that is).

But I like driving.
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1. Since the U.S.A. is no longer "Queen of Oil", subsidizing the automobile is no longer rational.
How long have we been subsidizing the automobile industry?
About a year ago, right (except ford I assume, since they didn't need a bailout) - last summer.

Hmm, I like a lot of what you wrote, actually.
Some of it will be a real tough sell, though.

But I bet we'd be better off - long term.

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On second thought, that link is pretty out there.
I'll read this again tomorrow when I'm sober.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:34 AM
 
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How long have we been subsidizing the automobile industry?
Since the 1920s, or even earlier.
It's a long, tangled web of corporate skullduggery (http://saveourwetlands.org/streetcar.htm - broken link), bribery, intrigue, and an overt war on electric rail.
Some of the subsidy is in public funded infrastructure. Previously, most American infrastructure was privately owned and operated, for profit, where applicable. (Toll roads, toll bridges, railroads, canals, etc)
But the socialist revolutionaries gained control over the government and suddenly it was "Good for America" that government take over the infrastructure. And we all can see how well THEY can manage it!
As they let it fall apart, all we hear is that WE have to pay higher taxes to compensate for their mismanagement.
Humbug!
Prior to 1914, the national tax load per capita was under 3%.
Today, it's "officially" over 20%.

I suspect that when all the hidden taxes, inflation, usury and time shifted levies are taken into consideration, it's closer to 43%.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:42 AM
 
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Since the 1920s, or even earlier.
It's a long, tangled web of corporate skullduggery (http://saveourwetlands.org/streetcar.htm - broken link), bribery, intrigue, and an overt war on electric rail.
Some of the subsidy is in public funded infrastructure. Previously, most American infrastructure was privately owned and operated, for profit, where applicable. (Toll roads, toll bridges, railroads, canals, etc)
But the socialist revolutionaries gained control over the government and suddenly it was "Good for America" that government take over the infrastructure. And we all can see how well THEY can manage it!
As they let it fall apart, all we hear is that WE have to pay higher taxes to compensate for their mismanagement.
Humbug!
Prior to 1914, the national tax load per capita was under 3%.
Today, it's "officially" over 20%.

I suspect that when all the hidden taxes and time shifted levies are taken into consideration, it's closer to 43%.
I'm no historian, but I bet you there are a lot more services offered today than there were in 1914.

I can't imagine - would you argue that our standard of living was better in that era (early 1900's)?

Oh, back to subsidizing.
Are you telling me that our auto industry hasn't been profitable... oh, you are counting building roads as subsidizing the auto industry.

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But the socialist revolutionaries gained control over the government and suddenly it was "Good for America" that government take over the infrastructure. And we all can see how well THEY can manage it!
As they let it fall apart, all we hear is that WE have to pay higher taxes to compensate for their mismanagement.
Humbug!
Too far out there. You are trying to judge things you cannot possibly judge at this time.
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