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Actually, the bottom line is that a man has been murdered and another man will stand trial for that murder. Personally feelings aside, ya know?
Beyond that, I think the fact that the family has decided to close the clinic actually shows that it was not just a money-scheme. There are so few doctors willing to do a late-term abortion because the regularity of them actually happening is quite low. I'm sure that the frequency is faaaaar from what you'd see at a Planned Parenthood clinic.
Personally, if I was pregnant and found out that not only would I die/suffer in giving birth, but that I would suffer only to give birth to a dead child, I would get the procedure done. ((All things aside, I can't get preggers anyways... but still))
((And the "terrorist" malarkey is thrown around by both sides like monkeys with dung. It only serves to cause an emotional response... which appears to be quite effective))
Rita, IMO, your perspective of this situation is rather naive if you think it is as simple as this:
"Actually, the bottom line is that a man has been murdered and another man will stand trial for that murder. Personally feelings aside, ya know?"
"Personally"? feelings aside, ya know? Have you ever been involved in any way in a murder trial? Are you aware of the Kopp case? Murder cases are absolutely NOT "Personally feelings aside, ya know." You're not going to find more personal feelings in any kind of criminal case than a murder case.
Did you know that murder trials in this country are divided into TWO separate trials, so to speak? First there is the guilt/not guilty trial which focuses on the facts of what happened, period.
If the defendant is found guilty, then there is a penalty phase trial. That trial involves migitators and aggravators.........in other words, the convicted person's entire life history is put before the jury so they can determine what sentence to impose. It doesn't get any more personal than that.
As for this statement by you:
"((And the "terrorist" malarkey is thrown around by both sides like monkeys with dung. It only serves to cause an emotional response... which appears to be quite effective))"
"terrorist malarkey"???? "like monkeys with dung"?????
IMO, that is a very immature attitude and statement. And do you supposed that throwing out words like "terrorist malarkey" and "monkeys with dung" is likely to cause an EMOTIONAL RESPONSE???
Have you ever done any research regarding the violent anti-choice organizations in this country? Have you done any research regarding who is considered to be a "terrorist" by the U.S. TODAY, after 9/11? Actually, the violent anti-choice people have been terrorists long before 9/11. What do you consider the bombing of women's clinics to be? What about killing doctors who provide reproductive services for women? Just two examples.
Bottom line, I just find your making light of such serious issues in your post offensive.
Rita, IMO, your perspective of this situation is rather naive if you think it is as simple as this:
"Actually, the bottom line is that a man has been murdered and another man will stand trial for that murder. Personally feelings aside, ya know?"
"Personally"? feelings aside, ya know? Have you ever been involved in any way in a murder trial? Are you aware of the Kopp case? Murder cases are absolutely NOT "Personally feelings aside, ya know." You're not going to find more personal feelings in any kind of criminal case than a murder case.
Did you know that murder trials in this country are divided into TWO separate trials, so to speak? First there is the guilt/not guilty trial which focuses on the facts of what happened, period.
If the defendant is found guilty, then there is a penalty phase trial. That trial involves migitators and aggravators.........in other words, the convicted person's entire life history is put before the jury so they can determine what sentence to impose. It doesn't get any more personal than that.
As for this statement by you:
"((And the "terrorist" malarkey is thrown around by both sides like monkeys with dung. It only serves to cause an emotional response... which appears to be quite effective))"
"terrorist malarkey"???? "like monkeys with dung"?????
IMO, that is a very immature attitude and statement. And do you supposed that throwing out words like "terrorist malarkey" and "monkeys with dung" is likely to cause an EMOTIONAL RESPONSE???
Have you ever done any research regarding the violent anti-choice organizations in this country? Have you done any research regarding who is considered to be a "terrorist" by the U.S. TODAY, after 9/11? Actually, the violent anti-choice people have been terrorists long before 9/11. What do you consider the bombing of women's clinics to be? What about killing doctors who provide reproductive services for women? Just two examples.
Bottom line, I just find your making light of such serious issues in your post offensive.
Her post was on target. One man killed another man who was a law abiding citizen and doctor. Emotions are not going to decide this case, they will just overflow on forums like this.
Her post was on target. One man killed another man who was a law abiding citizen and doctor. Emotions are not going to decide this case, they will just overflow on forums like this.
How many years have you been working in courts and trying murder cases? And you say that "emotions" will not decided this case! Are you aware that Judges tell jurors in the jury charge that they are to use their everyday, common sense in determining the credibility of the witnesses, among a lot of other things.......and that no juror EVER comes to the jury box devoid of emotions. A trial is about jurors coming together, bringing with them their life experiences, listening to the evidence, determining for themselves the credibility of the witnesses on the witness stand, and are given the law by the judge at the end of the trial, then they retire to the jury room to DELIBERATE. Ahhhhhhh, and you think emotions will play no part at all whatsoever.
Again, how many years have you be working in courts and trying murder cases, or any other criminal cases, for that matter?
Her post was on target. One man killed another man who was a law abiding citizen and doctor. Emotions are not going to decide this case, they will just overflow on forums like this.
The issue is that by definition it is a murder rooted in domestic terrorism. I don't think there is anything emotional involved with regards to calling it that. The attack was used to incite fear due to a religious/political motive. It is much wider in scope than people seem to be willing to admit.
The issue is that by definition it is a murder rooted in domestic terrorism. I don't think there is anything emotional involved. The attack was used to incite fear due to a religious/political motive. It is much wider in scope than people seem to be willing to admit.
When did I say Tiller was a hero? Would you mind pointing out how it wasn't by definition a terrorist action? Are you going to just keep posting the same thing or are you going to actually form a coherent argument.
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lol. every way possible? utter bunk.
killing innocent lives is 'freedom' and 'American' in the upside-down world of liberalism
I was pointing out that your argument was dumb by stating a dumb argument from the other side.
Well in terms of late term abortions - i'm glad the clinic is closed! I don't like the idea of a late term abortion as the fetus really is starting to take a life of its own and to end its life at this stage is cruelty... if the baby can be taken out of the womb and survive than i'm all for that - either that or the abortion should be denied.
Having said that, the guy who killed Dr. Tiller is worse than Dr. Tiller because he killed a fully developed human being that was fully conscious of his existence and had a lifetime of experience! The same can not be said for the fetuses he aborted. As terrible as abortion is - i just don't think it is a parallel argument and it is outrageous that people think there is justification to the man's death - they should be ashamed.
Well in terms of late term abortions - i'm glad the clinic is closed! I don't like the idea of a late term abortion as the fetus really is starting to take a life of its own and to end its life at this stage is cruelty... if the baby can be taken out of the womb and survive than i'm all for that - either that or the abortion should be denied.
Having said that, the guy who killed Dr. Tiller is worse than Dr. Tiller because he killed a fully developed human being that was fully conscious of his existence and had a lifetime of experience! The same can not be said for the fetuses he aborted. As terrible as abortion is - i just don't think it is a parallel argument and it is outrageous that people think there is justification to the man's death - they should be ashamed.
Ome man had a long life. The babies never got a chance to take their first breath of air_________all for money. Hmmmmm
Ome man had a long life. The babies never got a chance to take their first breath of air_________all for money. Hmmmmm
so you are an advocate for the murder of Dr. Tiller?
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