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Old 06-24-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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LOL

Yea I'm sure no republicans were saying anything and Bush was verbally raped into believing there were WMD's

PS, I would hardly consider poison gas a "weapon of mass destruction"
There is the proof..are you going to ignore it because it refutes the liberal lies?
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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There is the proof..are you going to ignore it because it refutes the liberal lies?
Ignore what? The fact that poison gas isn't a WMD, or that Bush is that much of a puppet he has to abide by what a small number of members of the opposing party says about WMD's? Or are you saying he was forced into saying that Iraq has WMD's and he had no power whatsoever to not invade Iraq on the WMD notion?
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:30 PM
 
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Are you going to keep bringing up that falsehood? Iraq had WMD's. Saddam used them to kill 30,000 Kurds. Do you dispute that? Of course you do.
I doubt it. It was in all the papers, and Reagan did exactly nothing about it. He wanted Iraq as a major customer for US agricultural exports, as a regional ally against Iran, and as a potential wedge in influencing parties on Israel/Palestine issues. You could maybe at least understand the gassing while the Iran-Iraq War was still ongoing. The Kurds were after all fighting with Iran. But the last series of attacks came after the war had ended. It was still weeks before any condemnation came, and then it came not from the White House, but the Department of State.

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Read this before you keep spreading YOUR lies:
snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes
Why? It's all outdated guesswork and speculation, many times coming before the four days of air strikes on even kind of suspected Iraqi weapons sites in December 1998. There were no WMD in 2002, and Bush knew there were none. He had hoped the CIA would provide him some sort of functional cover. When they didn't, he started to make stuff up. Yellow cake, aluminum tubes, Curveball, the Office of Special Programs. All fake. The UN had Hans Blix on the ground going wherever he wanted. No WMD here. No WMD there. Bush had to invade before Blix could conclusively prove it was never necessary to begin with. Sometimes you have to fight with the army you've got. Like when Hans Blix is forcing your hand.
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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This is getting ridiculous. Everywhere I turn, its just more venomous hatred spewing from the left. Some examples:

Obama calling Americans "Arrogant"
Garfolo calling tea party protesters "racist tea bagging rednecks"
Calling a man who murdered 60,000 babies a "hero"
Anyone who disagrees with gay marriage is a racist homophobe
Letterman joking about raping a 14 year old girl.


What the hell is wrong with these people?
What is wrong with these people?

They are intellectually deficient. They have to be to rationalize democratic hypocrisy.

The right can, at times, be hypocritical, but they have nothing on the left.

Leftists are just stupid.
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Old 06-25-2009, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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What is wrong with these people?

They are intellectually deficient. They have to be to rationalize democratic hypocrisy.

The right can, at times, be hypocritical, but they have nothing on the left.

Leftists are just stupid.
You are 100% correct. Liberals need to be saved from themselves. I wonder what MAO-bama would have to do before they see him for the Socialist scum that he is?
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Old 06-25-2009, 05:20 PM
 
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But the used WMD's weren't the reason we went to war. Nor was the yellowcake that was documented and of limited use.

I think Bush believed that Saddam had a stockpile of WMD's and shared his belief with the American people as justification for the war. But I also believe that Bush began his Presidency with a mindset that Saddam Hussein was America's biggest enemy, and that his father's biggest failure wasn't toppling Saddam during the First Gulf War. That mindset didn't just color Bush's interpretation of the intelligence our agencies were gathering, it also affected the focus of the agencies. Bush was briefed about Al Qaeda, but since he'd never heard of them before, but was familiar with Saddam Hussein, he didn't properly evaluate the information on Al Qaeda. And because the President wasn't interested in Al Qaeda, the CIA and FBI and other agencies focused their efforts where the President wanted those efforts focused, on Iraq. Even after the attack, the President jumped to the conclusion that there were ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq, and even voiced his belief in a connection. Intelligence gathering that is target-oriented is always opening itself to being attacked sideways. If you are always sifting through the sand looking only for gold, you run the risk of missing the diamonds that are there as well.
Bill Clinton before he left office and other countries thought he had WMD's too. As a matter of fact who's to say WMD's weren't kept mobile and were moved out of the country to a neighboring country before we went in?
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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Bill Clinton before he left office and other countries thought he had WMD's too. As a matter of fact who's to say WMD's weren't kept mobile and were moved out of the country to a neighboring country before we went in?
Yes, Bill Clinton and the UN thought there was a strong possibility that Saddam had WMD's, which is why the UN inspectors were present in Iraq. The UN inspectors, however, increasingly were coming to the conclusion that those WMD's were not present, and said as much quite vocally and repeatedly before Bush invaded. Bush ignored them, because of the reasons I outlined in my post.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Yes, Bill Clinton and the UN thought there was a strong possibility that Saddam had WMD's, which is why the UN inspectors were present in Iraq. The UN inspectors, however, increasingly were coming to the conclusion that those WMD's were not present, and said as much quite vocally and repeatedly before Bush invaded. Bush ignored them, because of the reasons I outlined in my post.
Why then would Saddam violate all those UN resolutions if he was innocent?
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:56 PM
 
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This is getting ridiculous. Everywhere I turn, its just more venomous hatred spewing from the left. Some examples:

Obama calling Americans "Arrogant"
Garfolo calling tea party protesters "racist tea bagging rednecks"
Calling a man who murdered 60,000 babies a "hero"
Anyone who disagrees with gay marriage is a racist homophobe
Letterman joking about raping a 14 year old girl.


What the hell is wrong with these people?
Chronic self loathing. And they were probably picked on in grade school.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Chronic self loathing. And they were probably picked on in grade school.
Thats a good theroy. I cant disagree with it.
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