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Old 06-18-2009, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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But have you hugged a tree?

After the previous post you still don't get it. After reading my OP that very clearly proves it's one fifth of one degree F hotter today than it was 100 years ago (using NOAA data), you still refuse to acknowledge the facts.
What you refuse to acknowledge is that we are headed for a very bad time if we don't moderate our behavior.

I don't hug trees. I'm an engineer that solves problems. One of those efforts involves planting trees however.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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What you refuse to acknowledge is that we are headed for a very bad time if we don't moderate our behavior.

I don't hug trees. I'm an engineer that solves problems. One of those efforts involves planting trees however.

Still ignoring my posts in this thread? I wonder why... hmmm oh that is right, you need an organization that you deem credible. Which is another way of saying you only want to use your sources.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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What you refuse to acknowledge is that we are headed for a very bad time if we don't moderate our behavior.

I don't hug trees. I'm an engineer that solves problems. One of those efforts involves planting trees however.

Based on what facts?

Prove it!
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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Based on what facts?

Prove it!
Good luck with that one, he has ignored any attempt in two threads to discuss the actual science and is obtuse with any concepts that involves science. All you will get from him is political bantering and self proclaimed validity.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Still ignoring my posts in this thread? I wonder why... hmmm oh that is right, you need an organization that you deem credible. Which is another way of saying you only want to use your sources.
Let's start with your statement that temperature has only increased by 0.2 degrees F. Let's have the scientific basis for that.

Here's the satellite data for the past 30 years and it's way higher than you claim. Let's not quote stupid stuff like NOAA land measurements.

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Old 06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Based on what facts?

Prove it!
LOL Oh please, grow up. Prove a forecast? How?
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: southern california
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we are polluting at an accelerated rate. just like our eating and drinking. we are a consumptive people and it is going somewhere.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:39 PM
 
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we are polluting at an accelerated rate. just like our eating and drinking. we are a consumptive people and it is going somewhere.
Sure it is, but context is your friend. By chance do you know how much our contribution is when we compare it to all of the other factors that contribute? It really puts things into perspective.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:29 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Sure it is, but context is your friend. By chance do you know how much our contribution is when we compare it to all of the other factors that contribute? It really puts things into perspective.
yes we are only a small part. but whether we are a large part or a small part we are having an effect and that effect is alarming.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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It would take me all of about 30 minutes to decide to move. I've seen many coal areas across the country. I've never seen one where I said "Wow beautiful. I think I'd like to live here."
Yep , that appears to be a active mining. You'd find similar pictures where they mined for any minerals such as those used for cement, quarries for the roads we build, metal ores or even the diamonds on your GF's finger. It's a fact of life,we extract things from the earth to make our lives better.

Having said that as I already mentioned previously not only is it required that money be set aside to reclaim that area they are also taxed which goes to reclamation of abandoned mines that were created long before any regulations where the responsible parties are long gone. In that regards new minig is actually beneficial to the environment.
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