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Old 06-16-2009, 05:04 PM
 
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Arnold is a Republican in NAME ONLY. California should not be bailed out (I was against GM bailout, bank bailout and damned sure against any foreign bailouts) because we should not be in the business of bailing out bad behavior without consequences. California has been spending like a drunken sailor for YEARS on social programs, illegal immigrant programs, and taxing the hell out of the tax base causing them to flee the state!!! Great business model......Tax the hell out of the productive people in the state causing them to flee to tax friendly havens, while taking in and providing for hundreds of thousands of illegals......giving welfare to generation after generation of the same family with drug addictions and out of wedlock children who go unsupervised running the streets causing havoc. This has an added cost when these kids go to jail. Don't worry about California.....other democratic state governments such as New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Michigan will be joining them shortly so they won't be lonely........
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:09 PM
 
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Ok, let me get this straight. Congress wants to hand over billions to the IMF for a "world bailout," but California gets the rebuff?

Make no mistake, i'm no handout junkie by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to defy logic that we'd let one of our own suffer while spending our tax money on other countries?
i seriously would like people to question why our president would support giving united states (future) taxpayer dollars to the IMF, whose goal is to replace our currency. i don't care what political party you belong to, our president is supposed to protect OUR interests!
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:11 PM
 
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Let California fail, and the country will suffer as a whole.

The distribution of federal dollars is very uneven as it is. States like Alaska, Alabama, and Mississippi take in a lot more federal money than they give back.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:12 PM
 
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I see no way that congress wants to open up this box. California needs to solve their own budget problems as they are not a poor state by any means;they just spend too freely.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:14 PM
 
Location: mancos
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california will be bailed out.just takes time.first barry has to appoligize that they are where they are at because of american arrogance and george w bush and he will save them. then they will all love barry and things will be ok
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Let California fail, and the country will suffer as a whole.
Doom doom doom doom DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

You may now take back your tin foil hat.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Ok, let me get this straight. Congress wants to hand over billions to the IMF for a "world bailout," but California gets the rebuff?

Make no mistake, i'm no handout junkie by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to defy logic that we'd let one of our own suffer while spending our tax money on other countries?
Didn't you know that the U.S. went bankrupt and was reorganized for the benefit of the usurers behind the IMF / World Bank?

That's why "things" have been a bit askew, since 1933...

The U.S. Governor of the "BANK" and "FUND" (World Bank and IMF) is the Secretary of Treasury. You agreed to his rules, when you signed up for usury in the Federal Reserve system.

Why is that a problem?
Title 22 USC Sec. 286a (a) Governors and executive directors; term of office The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint a governor of the Fund who shall also serve as a governor of the (World) Bank, and an executive director of the (International Monetary) Fund and an executive director of the Bank....
(d) Compensation for services Appointments (1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other compensation from the United States for services as a Governor, executive director, councilor, alternate, or associate.
According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994 edition:
"In addition , the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as _U.S. Governor_ of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development Bank, and the African Development Bank."
Bank holiday of 1933. Presidential Proclamation No.2039, issued March 6, 1933, and No. 2040, issued March 9, 1933, temporarily suspended banking transactions by member banks of the Federal Reserve System. Normal banking functions were resumed on March 13, subject to certain restrictions. The first proclamation, it was held, had no authority in law until the passage on March 9, 1933, of the ratifying act (12 U.S.C.A. Sec. 95b). The present law forbids member banks of the Federal Reserve System to transact banking business, except under regulations of the _Secretary of the Treasury_, during an emergency proclaimed by the President. 12 U.S.C.A. Sec. 95.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 146
Though the president may select the Secretary (Timmy G.) and Congress rubber stamps the selection, by law, he is not paid by us (The U.S.). He is paid by his employer, the creditor of the bankrupt U.S. government. BTW - the fiduciary agent for the creditor is the Federal Reserve Corporation. And the Federal Reserve is also the agent for the United Nations, IMF, World Bank, etc, etc..

Didn't everyone volunteer to be human resources pledged as collateral on the debt? That's what the Federal Insurance Contribution Act is all about.
That is how an "income tax" on wages was first enacted...
TITLE 26
Subtitle C
CHAPTER 21
Subchapter A
§ 3101. Rate of tax
(a) Old-age, survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121(a)) received by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121(b))
It is clear that this section imposes an "income tax" on "wages" because of "employment." It doesn't defined wages as income. It plainly states that tax will be based on a percentage of wages.
Title 26, EMPLOYMENT TAXES
Chapter 21-Federal Insurance Contributions Act
Section 3121 Definitions:
Employment. For purposes of this chapter, the term "employment"
means any service, of whatever nature, performed
(A) by an employee for the person employing him, irrespective of the citizenship or residence of either,
(i) within the United States, or
(ii) on or in connection with an American vessel or American aircraft under a contract of service which is entered into within the United States ...
(B) Outside the United States by a citizen of the United States ...
as an employee of an American employer (as defined in subsection(h)),
or
(C) if it is service, regardless of where or by whom performed, which is designated as employment or recognized as equivalent to employment under an agreement entered into under section 233 of the Social Security Act; ...
(for section 233 please refer to 42 USC 433)

42 USC Sec. 433.
International agreements
(a) Purpose of agreement
The President is authorized (subject to the succeeding provisions of this section) to enter into agreements establishing totalization arrangements between the social security system established by this subchapter and the social security system of any foreign country...
THERE IT IS - THE SMOKING GUN.

No matter where or by whom such service is performed, it is REVENUE TAXABLE EMPLOYMENT *(as if within the U.S. gubmint), if one is in a compact with Socialist InSecurity. No law compels one to participate in Social Security / FICA. If ever a law compelled participation, it would be involuntary servitude, unconstitutional, void, and a nullity. And thanks to the Totalization agreement (via treaty), the constitutional limitations do not apply. Voluntary servitude is constitutional.

The only people eligible for Social Security and Medicare are those who "voluntarily" signed up for accounts.
And no instrumentality of the Federal Reserve banking system will open interest bearing accounts for unnumbered Americans who are not participants in national socialism.
And when you open an account, with "your number", you sign a signature card wherein you agree to abide by the rules of the "bank", whose U.S. governor is the Secretary of Treasury, who shall not be paid by the U.S. government.

With one word Bernanke reveals Who Actually Runs the Country

George Washington's Blog: With One Word, Bernanke Reveals Who Actually Runs the Country

Link referenced from naked capitalism
Yesterday, in his appearance before Congress, Bernanke revealed with a single word who really runs the United States:
Senator Sanders: "Will you tell the American people to whom you lent $2.2 trillion of their dollars?"

Bernanke: "No"

In the words of Homer Simpson: "D'Oh!"
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:34 PM
 
Location: mancos
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i'll have my lawyers look at that and get back to you
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:37 PM
 
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Kids getting breakfast, lunch and dinner at schools? Breakfast and lunch during the summer too? Can they bring their mothers too? How many thousands of programs like this does California pay for? Just insane.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:39 PM
 
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Let California fail, and the country will suffer as a whole.

The distribution of federal dollars is very uneven as it is. States like Alaska, Alabama, and Mississippi take in a lot more federal money than they give back.
And who is the governor of Alaska?...............
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