Carter asks Obama administration to remove Hamas from the terror list (Al Gore, Iran)

[Huckleberry3911948]

hamas is not a terrorist group, the entire mideast is a terrorist group bek violence is religiously and culturally supported and encouraged. stop making our enemies rich. get out of the OPEC biz and get into the self sufficiency biz, little jimmie said that 40 years ago. ex head of CIA tenent said it too, nobody listens.

[camping!]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

hamas is not a terrorist group, the entire mideast is a terrorist group bek violence is religiously and culturally supported and encouraged. stop making our enemies rich. get out of the OPEC biz and get into the self sufficiency biz, little jimmie said that 40 years ago. ex head of CIA tenent said it too, nobody listens.

Too much money to be made by holding hands with the Saudi kings.
It certainly seems like we are still headed down that path, doesn't it?

[lamontnow]

Here's what Carter's friends have proudly done thru 2003 (it's only a partial list, attacks continued past 2003, and doesn't include attacks by Hamas allies):

* 22 people killed and 56 wounded in a suicide bombing attack on the No. 5 bus on
Dizengoff St. in Tel Aviv, Oct. 1994

* 26 killed by suicide bomber on a #18 bus near the Jerusalem Central Bus Station, Feb. 1996

* 16 killed in the Mahane Yehuda open market in Jerusalem in a double suicide attack, July 1997

* 23 dead and 115 wounded when a Hamas suicide bomber blew himself up on a No. 2 bus line coming from the Western Wall in Jerusalem, August 2003

* 45 murdered within the space of five days in March 2002: a suicide Hamas terrorist blew himself up in a Haifa restaurant, killing 15, and another one did the same in the Park Hotel in in Netanya during a Passover Seder, murdering some 30 and wounding 144.

The ten worst Oslo War Hamas attacks, in which a total of 186 were murdered, also included the following:
* June 1, 2001 - Dolphinarium in Tel Aviv, 21 killed - mostly new-immigrant teenagers from the former Soviet Union

* Aug. 9, 2001 - Sbarro's Pizzeria in Jerusalem, 15 killed, including the parents and three children of the Schijveschuurder family

* Dec. 2, 2001 - Haifa bus, 15 killed

* May 7, 2002 - Rishon Letzion hall, 16 killed

* June 18, 2002 - #32 bus from Gilo, Jerusalem, 19 killed

* March 5, 2003 - #37 bus in Haifa, 15 dead

* June 11, 2003 - #14 bus, Jerusalem, 17 murdered

[TnHilltopper]

Thread titled changed, as previously worded was intentionally misleading, hence trolling.

[nvxplorer]

I don't give much credence to the "terror list." It seems quite useless.

[Okiegirlfriend]

Carter thinks he is still the president, as well as a self- appointed goodwill ambassador! He is one of a kind all right!

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Wildthin

Are you talking about Carter's book on Israeli Apartheid? Let's see these "lies"....

Carter is perhaps the only credible American around on the issue, it really must bother the propaganda agents that Carter has a successful record for peace in the Middle East. The only successful track record. But still, they try to discredit the man. Brazen traitors to America they all are. I feel sorry for anyone who would listen to them.

I read "Palestine; Peace Not Apartheid", and I'd have to say that Carter is dangerously naive. He claimed there are people in Hamas who want peace but are scared to admit it because of the official party line, failing to realize what ideology Hamas pertains to and that said ideology wouldn't attract someone who didn't share it. Also, his criticisms of the Israeli leaders he met with as POTUS are way out of line, e.g. Carter criticizing Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan for being atheists and being shocked at the then-government of Israel being dominated by the "Godless".

Carter's grandstanding on foreign policy is the worst of any former US president since Herbert Hoover, coincidentally the other engineer-turned-failed president, who castigated FDR for preparing for WW2 claiming that Hitler was "someone we could do business with".

[lamontnow]

Originally Posted by majoun

I read "Palestine; Peace Not Apartheid", and I'd have to say that Carter is dangerously naive. He claimed there are people in Hamas who want peace but are scared to admit it because of the official party line, failing to realize what ideology Hamas pertains to and that said ideology wouldn't attract someone who didn't share it. Also, his criticisms of the Israeli leaders he met with as POTUS are way out of line, e.g. Carter criticizing Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan for being atheists and being shocked at the then-government of Israel being dominated by the "Godless".

Carter's grandstanding on foreign policy is the worst of any former US president since Herbert Hoover, coincidentally the other engineer-turned-failed president, who castigated FDR for preparing for WW2 claiming that Hitler was "someone we could do business with".

Agreed. Except I would replace the word naive with sinister. Here's a critique, not just of Carter's book, but of Carter the man. It was written by a close and long associate of Carter, a former fellow of the Carter Center (he resigned in disgust at Carter's many distortions and outright lies), and a professor of Middle Eastern history:
My Problem with Jimmy Carter's Book - Middle East Quarterly

[texdav]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

hamas is not a terrorist group, the entire mideast is a terrorist group bek violence is religiously and culturally supported and encouraged. stop making our enemies rich. get out of the OPEC biz and get into the self sufficiency biz, little jimmie said that 40 years ago. ex head of CIA tenent said it too, nobody listens.

So Hamas is a middleast based group?Little Jimmy also said he promised the american people that never again would this country be dependent for 40% of its oil from foreign sources.

[mossomo]

Ridiculous as the Hamas Charter's objective is still the destruction of Israel. And they say Carter has a high IQ.