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Old 06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. - California's Chinese immigrants helped build ships, levees, irrigation systems and the transcontinental railroad. They worked in farm fields and mines and helped develop the abalone and shrimp industries.

For their efforts, they were rewarded with special taxes, forced out of towns and denied the rights to own property, marry whites and attend public schools.

Calif. lawmaker seeks apology for Chinese - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: NC
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What about Tibet? Will there be a simultaneous condemnation on the Chinese?

These kinds of bills and legislation are only targeted at Whites, it's pathetic. Still, despite it all everyone, including the chinese still want to move to this horrible racist nation, go figure!!!
The article is about Chinese Americans and what happened to them in the United States, not about China the country. It is about we as Americans trying to own up to some of the bad crap that when on in our history. Tibet is an issue for the Chinese to work out as Tibet, for the most part, has very little to do with the United States.

A gentlemen will apologize and try to make amends for his own mistakes or the mistakes of his companions. Only a child will point out the mistakes of others, unrelated to themselves, and demand apologies from others on such things while not looking retrospectively on themselves for their own faults.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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There is not one person alive who is responsible for that stuff that long ago. However there are people alive today in the 21st century who are Chinese and are ruthless ethnic-cleansers and racists against Tibet.

Mr. Fong only seems to care about being "Chinese" or "Chinese-American" when it works for him. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. He's no gentleman. Today, when foreign workers and domestics go to work in Israel, they face many of the same laws: 'segregated towns and denied the rights to own property, marry jews and attend public schools". They still go willingly to work and make money, they know what the laws are there....and they knew damn well what the US laws were back then. Were they forced here in chains? Hell, no. Mr. Fong is a revisionist.
No one person is alive that is why no one person is apologizing. The United States is simply making a note that this was a time in our history when we did not live up to our ideals as a country and that is the right thing to do.

As to Israel and China, they have to work out there own stuff. I do not recall either of those countries calling themselves a beacon of hope or offering to take the tired, hungry and huddled masses yearning to breath free (paraphrasing). America did and as a country and we have a reputation of promoting equality, and for those that come here legally and work hard, the promise of an American dream. This was not delivered on to many of the Chinese immigrants who came here legally in the 19th century and that was wrong.

Israel and China are not America they have their own ideologies and will have to deal with their own national conscience.

As I said only a child points out the faults of others without giving retrospect to themselves first and only childish nations and regimes do the same.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:18 PM
 
Location: California
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On behalf of everyone, I'm sorry.

Are we done now?
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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So when will the Cajuns receive an appology from USA? We finally got an official appology from England thanks to ONE man who kept on and on and on until the Queen issued an appology. Know what,...most Cajuns don't really care. What's done is done and all that bad stuff that happened was to people who are no longer alive and committed by people that are no longer alive and none of it is being done today so we moved on. Union troops weren't too friendly to Cajuns after the civil war. They and other northerners were intent on doing everything in their power to wipe out Cajun French language. Sometimes that included public school children being beaten or a bull whip used on them for speaking French in class.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:34 PM
 
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That plaque on the Statue of Liberty was put there by a Communist, Emma Lazarus. Look it up.

It was never American law, American policy nor our nation's goal. It was the goal of a communist America-hater!!!

The French gave us the Statue of Liberty because the American Revolution of 1776 inspired the French Revolution of 1789. It had nothing to do with promoting open-borders ideology or making the USA a dumping ground.

Damn that plaque!!
That makes sense if you think the US should not be a beacon for the world and act like a third world cesspool in how it treats minorities, immigrants and the non-elite, then from your perspective, we probably should not apologize.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:38 PM
 
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So when will the Cajuns receive an appology from USA? We finally got an official appology from England thanks to ONE man who kept on and on and on until the Queen issued an appology. Know what,...most Cajuns don't really care. What's done is done and all that bad stuff that happened was to people who are no longer alive and committed by people that are no longer alive and none of it is being done today so we moved on. Union troops weren't too friendly to Cajuns after the civil war. They and other northerners were intent on doing everything in their power to wipe out Cajun French language. Sometimes that included public school children being beaten or a bull whip used on them for speaking French in class.
Whether members of the Cajun French community wish to ask for one or not is up to them, but I agree many many attrocities were committed against people and areas of the south during and after the civil war and more recognition of that would most certainly be helpful in healing old national wounds.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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Whether members of the Cajun French community wish to ask for one or not is up to them, but I agree many many attrocities were committed against people and areas of the south during and after the civil war and more recognition of that would most certainly be helpful in healing old national wounds.
There is no more Confederacy to apologize to the descendants of the German immigrants in Texas who were slaughtered, raped, deprived of property, and whose businesses and farms were vandalized because they were pro-Union and abolitionist. So who would apologize? The state government of Texas?
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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There is no more Confederacy to apologize to the descendants of the German immigrants in Texas who were slaughtered, raped, deprived of property, and whose businesses and farms were vandalized because they were pro-Union and abolitionist. So who would apologize? The state government of Texas?
If they truly seek to rectify that stain on their state history, absolutely and it is not apologizing to the confederacy at all. It is about acknowledging to the people in those areas whose ancestors may have been the victims of war crimes that, such war crimes were immoral and are a stain on the history of the country.
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:15 PM
 
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If they truly seek to rectify that stain on their state history, absolutely and it is not apologizing to the confederacy at all.
Particularly because those crimes were done in the name of the Confederacy by irregular militias who had Confederate backing. The Confederacy obviously no longer exists, so it would be the state that would have to apologize.

IIRC Texas did apologize to African-Americans for slavery and Jim Crow and to Mexican-Americans for the discrimination they faced in Texas in the past (a slightly milder version of Jim Crow, but very serious and grave). I don't know if the state's ever apologized to the descendants of said German immigrants.


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It is about acknowledging to the people in those areas whose ancestors may have been the victims of war crimes that, such war crimes were immoral and are a stain on the history of the country.
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