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Old 06-19-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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Not so. Palin's picture signing something with a smile doesn't take away the fact that it is Alaska and not Palin that owes all that money. Governors spend money after legislatures appropriate it and I think that Alaska has a legislature with a Democrat majority. Am I wrong?
yes, she doesn't have to sign it.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:29 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Not so. Palin's picture signing something with a smile doesn't take away the fact that it is Alaska and not Palin that owes all that money. Governors spend money after legislatures appropriate it and I think that Alaska has a legislature with a Democrat majority. Am I wrong?
Alaska has a Republican majority in the house and Palin as governor. I don't see how you can dismiss the Republican responsibility.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:41 PM
 
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Not so. Palin's picture signing something with a smile doesn't take away the fact that it is Alaska and not Palin that owes all that money. Governors spend money after legislatures appropriate it and I think that Alaska has a legislature with a Democrat majority. Am I wrong?
http://www.aksenate.org/

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After several years in a row of surplus budgets, when the legislature set aside billions of dollars in various state savings accounts, this year the state faced a large deficit, because of huge declines in oil prices and a global economic decline.

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Old 06-19-2009, 10:56 PM
 
Location: NC
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Not so. Palin's picture signing something with a smile doesn't take away the fact that it is Alaska and not Palin that owes all that money. Governors spend money after legislatures appropriate it and I think that Alaska has a legislature with a Democrat majority. Am I wrong?
Nope both the Alaska house and senate are republican controlled. Additionally the shortfalls often have less to do with the party running things and more to do with previous conditions in the state i.e. how much they were impacted by the declining economy and how much the legislature had expected to receive over the next X years. Often states plan their budgets over long periods and in times of rapid growth often the prospect of a downturn is not considered as much as it would be in states experiencing more hardship.

More evidence to this point is that many states with both long periods of Republican and democratic control were not on the list, which one would expect if one particular party was at fault. For example, neither West Virginia nor North Carolina were on that list and they have been more or less been governed by Democrats since the dawn of time. The same goes for Utah and South Dakota for Republicans.

Even more evidence for this is that in big growth states like Florida, Nevada, Arizona, and previously oil booming Alaska top the charts and states with steady or low growth ie Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc. are nowhere to be found.
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No, but i noticed Palin is at #3

oh well look at you!!! aren't you just a smart liberal!!!! great job. i guess you didn't notice that at least 2/3 of those states were in obamas favor though right? i think even his home state of illinois was on there as well. but you probably didn't see that did you? that's ok. i understand how truly blind and ignorant liberals are.
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Alaska has a Republican majority in the house and Palin as governor. I don't see how you can dismiss the Republican responsibility.
And weren't there two other red states on that list of 15 or 16 states. Boy, Replublicans just can't manage a budget like blue states.
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I came in at #15....Nevada.
Err...that was a countdown. Congratulations!!!! Your state came in First Place!!!!!!

You win.
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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If they weren't complaining about her budget short fall they would be complaining about everything she didn't fund.

I counted three red states on that list. AK has low oil prices, NV has empty casinos and LA is LA. So what about the blue states? All GB's fault?
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:40 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Nope both the Alaska house and senate are republican controlled. Additionally the shortfalls often have less to do with the party running things and more to do with previous conditions in the state i.e. how much they were impacted by the declining economy and how much the legislature had expected to receive over the next X years. Often states plan their budgets over long periods and in times of rapid growth often the prospect of a downturn is not considered as much as it would be in states experiencing more hardship.

More evidence to this point is that many states with both long periods of Republican and democratic control were not on the list, which one would expect if one particular party was at fault. For example, neither West Virginia nor North Carolina were on that list and they have been more or less been governed by Democrats since the dawn of time. The same goes for Utah and South Dakota for Republicans.

Even more evidence for this is that in big growth states like Florida, Nevada, Arizona, and previously oil booming Alaska top the charts and states with steady or low growth ie Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc. are nowhere to be found.
BINGO!
Very good call on your part. This is exactly the RIGHT conclusion to draw.
Despite all the partisan swiping the fact is - it's not a partisan issue AT ALL. The truth is, all but 2 states are in financial trouble - the article lists those in the WORST trouble but virtually all of the remainder are in trouble as well - and as you mention those states that have experienced the most rapid growth are generally those in the most trouble now - mainly because all that growth requires outlay for infrastructure improvements and additional services for all the new residents - and when the economy tanked and the money suddenly dried up those states were stuck with the bill and with their revenues dropping like stone. A couple of years back those states were booming - their economies leading the nation - was that due to good government? - so now when the world economy tanks and they are the most affected is that due to "bad government"? For the most part these were the same governments. If folks are going to blame the governments when times are bad they should credit the governments when times were good.

Ken
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Many of these states have been contributing for several decades only to have fallen in the red within the past few years. Take CA for example, how much can we give every year to states that could never contribute these amounts year after year? How quick will we be demonized by citizens who have enjoyed our contributions if we fail to produce?
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