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Old 06-19-2009, 10:21 PM
 
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When the federal government moves it is a like a mighty avalanche ready to engulf those who appose it. Don't think the DEA eyes are not focused on you. Obama could use the attack on Alaska's stance on pot as a victory against Palin. Politics can be brutal.
Nah, Obama has enough on Palin already, and the laws in place precede her career in politics.

I'm looking out my window at the beginning of a four hour long sunset over the ocean and I fail to see any DEA agents out there.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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Problem is that "stance" came long before Palin, and it wouldn't stick. Obama is a more skillful politician than that.
Who is going to know that when the mud begins to be thrown? You think the media is not biased? They are short on facts but know how to use political anarchy to sell newspapers and airtime.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:22 PM
 
Location: NC
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When the federal government moves it is a like a mighty avalanche ready to engulf those who appose it. Don't think the DEA eyes are not focused on you. Obama could use the attack on Alaska's stance on pot as a victory against Palin. Politics can be brutal.
I assure you that would end in a court fight and chances are Obama would lose more in terms supporters doing it then he would gain. Young people and college students tend to be pro-pot and also were the backbone of Obama's electoral sucess. This is in part because he promised to ended the DEA's terror campaign against states with medical and otherwise legal pot. How many of them do you think would vote for him in the next election if he turning in to an anti-pot fanatic on par with the Bush administration and do you think if he did this he would still be able to carry places like North Carolina on the backs of young people if he is fighting potentially his main presidential rival on the wrong side of the marijuana debate in their opinion and making it an issue to boot?
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:24 PM
 
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Who is going to know that when the mud begins to be thrown? You think the media is not biased? They are short on facts but know how to use political anarchy to sell newspapers and airtime.
What if this bill was to pass and it all becomes a moot point? That's just as plausible as this pointless scenario you speak of.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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I assure you that would end in a court fight and chances are Obama would lose more in terms supporters doing it then he would gain. Young people and college students tend to be pro-pot and also were the backbone of Obama's electoral sucess. This is in part because he promised to ended the DEA's terror campaign against states with medical and otherwise legal pot. How many of them do you think would vote for him in the next election if he turning in to an anti-pot fanatic on par with the Bush administration and do you think if he did this he would still be able to carry places like North Carolina on the backs of young people if he is fighting potentially his main presidential rival on the wrong side of the marijuana debate?
Obama is never going to go up against traditional America. Besides the Supreme Court would not even hear the argument if it was brought to the steps of the nation's highest court.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:40 PM
 
Location: NC
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Obama is never going to go up against traditional America. Besides the Supreme Court would not even hear the argument if it was brought to the steps of the nation's highest court.
I agree chances are he will not legalize it, but what I am saying is he is not going to make it into a big issue by using the DEA as an attack dog either.

As to the supreme court they have heard many cases about marijuana and even if they do not hear it more than likely a federal court will if it becomes a major issue. Once a ruling comes from that federal court we will have an idea as to whether the Alaskan state government or the DEA and federal government has suzerainty over the issue.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:56 PM
 
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I agree chances are he will not legalize it
You think he'd veto the bill if it passed Congress?
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:03 PM
 
Location: NC
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You think he'd veto the bill if it passed Congress?
Who knows. I just do not think it has a snowball's chance in hell of passing congress. Congress is very good at killing bills without even bringing them up for a vote. I would stake my bet on this one dying a slow and painful death by committee and I do not see Obama pushing it either so essentially though in action I think he is killing it. That is to be expected though.
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:28 PM
 
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Who knows. I just do not think it has a snowball's chance in hell of passing congress. Congress is very good at killing bills without even bringing them up for a vote. I would stake my bet on this one dying a slow and painful death by committee and I do not see Obama pushing it either so essentially though in action I think he is killing it. That is to be expected though.
That'd be the safe way for him to play it, at least during his first term.

I don't think it's going to pass either, in fact I all but know it won't. Was kind of a theoretical question.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:03 AM
 
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I do.

I live in a place where it's legal and this is a pretty damned strong society.
Where do you live...? Or is it now legal in Wales??
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