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the world's second largest economy is a "socialist" country with 1 third of its total economy being controlled by the government if I'm not mistaken?? yes i know China is a totalitarian state but that isn't a necessary component in a socialist country.
Is it just me or do these conservatives look like idiots too any one else? they always throw out the word socialist and talk about its failures and refuse to acknowledge that not one 1st world country is a free market conservative run country. The truth is that all the 1st world countries run mixed economies as we do.
Is it just me or do these conservatives look like idiots too any one else? they always throw out the word socialist and talk about its failures and refuse to acknowledge that not one 1st world country is a free market conservative run country. The truth is that all the 1st world countries run mixed economies as we do.
i used to be conservative and still support the conservative party of Canada, but honestly these guys have been looking weak all night. personal attacks... irrelevant topics (saying i cant see and denying my own people helped the Nazis).
the whole thing has become rather tiresome.. its like trying to explain to explain light to a blind kid... not going to happen..
i used to be conservative and still support the conservative party of Canada, but honestly these guys have been looking weak all night. personal attacks... irrelevant topics (saying i cant see and denying my own people helped the Nazis).
the whole thing has become rather tiresome.. its like trying to explain to explain light to a blind kid... not going to happen..
You have proven your point and the reality is that what made us great and prosperous was the proper balance in our freemarket and regulation, but we have moved so far too the right that we have lost our footing and these guys refuse to let go of what seemed like the answer, but was in reality just a return to the policies that failed us previously and put us in the depression as it nearly did again.
You have proven your point even john who is historically a worthy opponent hasn't been able to provide a counter argument.
The best propaganda is the one you don't see working. They don't have to immediately call for a war, but slowly build up as popularity and strength increase.. like the nazis did
yep and they do it anyways.. the crusades and killing other people was very unchristian, and yet the pope condoned it hundreds of years ago. it being un-Christian or not has no bounds on the reality of the current situation
The rest is just unnecessary and I'll get you those references, not from wikipedia, but a book.
Verifiable GOD??? are you nuts??? i can find you thousands of Muslims, Christians, Hindu's ect who would swear on their life that theirs is the real, true, God.
So how are you more right then them??
Well, first of all I wouldn't be more right or less right. I am either correct in my discovery of the truth of the Bible or the victim, however willingly, of the greatest hoax in the history of mankind. It's one or the other and cannot be both.
The revelelation of our Creator that I have discovered is in some ways different than for those who lived centuries ago. Much of what has been discovered through science whether real and verifiable or more opinion driven and less verifiable appears to contradict the Scriptures as we understand them. For many people that's the long and short of it and they believe what they are able to see over what is unseen. I think you would agree with me on that. But like other things, there is more taking place than meets the eye of the casual observer.
My belief in the validity of Bible, the God who created the Universe and the Messiahship of Jesus is based in no small part on recorded prophesies thousands of years old that stand up by themselves since many of them have been fulfilled in our own recent history. The issue for the skeptic is the King James Version of the Bible that was translated in 1611 and the prophesies contained in it. For those who would suggest that the scriptures were changed to fit the events to which they relate, the translation which has not been changed since 1611 would have had to have been translated by translators who were able to predict events some three and a half centuries into their future. Were that the case, then perhaps the translators might be deities. We loose a lot of conspiracy theories right there since anything written before 1611 went into the KJV and anything that was translated into the KJV has remained exactly the same for nearly four-hundred years.
If you wrote the winning lottery number down a year ago and sealed it in an envelope until today, the number will either be correct or not. If it is you may be on to something, but if not, you're just like the rest of us and have to continue going to work. Another possibility is that you have the ability to order the numbers to match your prediction, or you could simply guess correctly. I only list that because it is at least possible. Since the explanation is somewhat complicated for a person less familiar with the scriptures, I will defer to the website I previously provided to you. The rebirth of the modern state of Israel is the matter at heart here along with Jewish control of the Temple Mount following the Six-day War. These events are like the lottery numbers that were sealed in the envelope. They are either winners, or they should miss by a country mile since they would be entirely random. Please feel free to challenge my (our) logic on the matter.
the world's second largest economy is a "socialist" country with 1 third of its total economy being controlled by the government if I'm not mistaken?? yes i know China is a totalitarian state but that isn't a necessary component in a socialist country.
And if you'll notice their average salary. If you'll notice which direction they're moving towards for growth.
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GDP - per capita (PPP): $6,000 (2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 132 $5,500 (2007 est.)
$4,900 (2006 est.) note: data are in 2008 US dollars
i do not "know" what exactly is to be taken literally, and exactly what individual phrases of the bible are not, but I try to look at it with a open view that takes into consideration the cultural differences, and take what I believe is good and what's bad.
So you subjectively interpret the information and establish meaning to which you personally believe is "good or bad" and yet what makes your subjective interpretation more valid than another?
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there MAY exist proper logical derivation to those conclusions by others to which they obtained them??? SO your defending the crap they spew and quotes they use about gays burning in Hell.. something I've interpreted as a cultural difference and discarded. Instead I've taken in the good. Love, tolerance and equality is what I have taken from Jesus' teaching. In his treatment of women, children, the sick and foreigners he was revolutionary for his time. Most of these are the norm now in our western society.
Something you have interpreted and then discarded, yet you previously stated:
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i do not "know" what exactly is to be taken literally, and exactly what individual phrases of the bible are not,...
You proclaim a position of validity, yet you operate from none. What makes your interpretation more valid than another when you concede:
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i do not "know" what exactly is to be taken literally, and exactly what individual phrases of the bible are not,...
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i don;t think I used baseless foundations to support my idea.. would you agree or disagree that the things I named are aspect of ur-fascism? and that these characteristics are prevalent in some of these extreme evangelists?? i think the answer is yes. i also don't believe I was generalizing.. well maybe literally I was but that isn't bad.
Again you attempt to claim a position of validity, but provide no evidence to this claim. Your conclusion is that the interpretation of another is invalid, yet you do not have a valid premise to support that conclusion. You generalized position, inserted a straw man to your opponents position, used a spurious similarity to invalidate a position, yet never properly supported your contest to opposition. Your above question does not validate your conclusion.
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if someone said 'the nazi's hated the jews" no one would disagree. but did each and every individual German who was a Nazi hate the Jews??? of course not!!! but if we didn't use this categorization to try and analyse a situation and look at a group we'd never be able to effectively examine any large group of humans or their behaviors and beliefs..
Appeal to popularity, another fallacy. The fact that people might agree with a claim does not validate a claim. You recognize that, but use it as a method to establish validity. One can not analyze a truth under the disguise of a falsity. Your generalization develops invalid premises to support a conclusion. A premise can not be false and produce a valid conclusion.
You invalidate your position from the beginning. Any conclusion made from your assumptions are not supported.
So you subjectively interpret the information and establish meaning to which you personally believe is "good or bad" and yet what makes your subjective interpretation more valid than another?
It doesn't mean my opinion is more "valid" then another, but like any human I have an opinion that I have formulated and believe. I have based my interpretation on the bible, knowing that the writers wrote it never meaning to take some of the extravagant things litteraly. thats not my own opinion, thats a fact. How would those who of written Genesis of know what order God constructed the Universe and world, and in how many days???? or was this meant to show the wonder of god... hmmm lets me rational. you seem to try and use philisophical terms all the time so y dont you try and apply this one???
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Something you have interpreted and then discarded, yet you previously stated
You proclaim a position of validity, yet you operate from none. What makes your interpretation more valid than another when you concede::
Notice how many difference sects of Christianity there are??? well its like that for a reason. people disagree about what was truly the will of God and believed so strongly they broke form the church. My interpretation is based on two fact.
1: is what I i'd call the "cultural smear", where parts of the bible have been written based on the irrational fear and prejudiced of the different people at the time.
2; is what I got from reading about Jesus and his life, and as i said I got the impression that he lived and wanted us to live, likes of peace, love, tolerance and acceptance. All the things he practiced in his own life!!! Jesus was whipped and persecuted, and never raised a hand. he defended prostitutes and other people of "questionable moral fiber". so if he preaches all this tolerance, is he going to turn around and say "kill gays!! they deserve to go to hell" no!
Like any human my opinion is based on my observations and how I analyze them. Again, i do not know exactly what should and shouldn't be interpreted litterally but as I kinda have an idea (creation, the rapture and hate should not as it was written for different reasons) (the message of love, peace and tolerance yes should be interpreted litteraly). Even the writers of the bible never believed the world was created in 7 days!!!! the Bible is such a beautiful guide and piece of literature because of its obscurity and beautiful, symbolic text!!!1
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Again you attempt to claim a position of validity, but provide no evidence to this claim. Your conclusion is that the interpretation of another is invalid, yet you do not have a valid premise to support that conclusion. You generalized position, inserted a straw man to your opponents position, used a spurious similarity to invalidate a position, yet never properly supported your contest to opposition. Your above question does not validate your conclusion.
i dont understand... Ive mentioned the characteristics of a small, extreme christian right. do you agree that this group does not have these characteristics??? machoism, a culture of dispair, conversision, ect??? no evidence of my validty??? go to one of these extremist sites and see for yourself. go to a seminar and see!!
The rest doesn't even deserve a response. its so full of philosophical mumbo jumbo that responding, from any position, is impossible. the problem here is not in my answer, but in your statement and the conclusion you have come to n matter what is presented before you
Looks like the libs' Whine Thread of the Month Club.
another lost soul who doesn't know the different between a liberal, socialist and communist.. but i guess you can't feel bad for dumb rednecks
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